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I now have to go out and complete my paper round..I hope to be back online in about 2hrs..with luck.

Thanks guys

Thanks all for taking the time to look things up. It is much appreciated.

Ok....lets see what I do know.

John Wilson married Emma Tuck in 1892.

These are my great grandparents..these are the folks mentioned on my grandfathers birth cert.

Married in the Parish Church Portsea, Portsmouth, Hampshire, Englan, .23rd April 1892.
John is said to be 30 years old...and Emma 28.
John himself has occupation of Carpenters mate aboard HMS Active.
His father is a William Wilson..Occupation Shipwright.

John & Emma are my great grandparents..this is for sure.

I also have a birth cert for a John Wilson who I believe maybe of the above John Wilson
These are the details

John Wilson...born Portsea, Portsmouth, 18th October 1862. 4 Unicorn Street (I believe this was inside the dockyard)

Father is a William Wilson..mother Agnes Wilson formerly McCaskie.
Occupation of father "sapper Royal Enginners"

Birth registered 1st or 8th ( cant make it out) Jan 1863.
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I am not 100% that the birth cert is the correct one for John Wilson I am seeking.
It does fit most of my John details....BUT..I need to find out IF I have the right one..or have I got it wrong?
If so..I need to find John's parents, and a birth reference which will match my John so I can find out his family
and so....get pass this block..and head further back in time.
Thanks to Ellen ..and others we do have info on the William & Agnes mentioned on the possible birth cert.
All help is much appreciated..really is..even if i am a little odd..(health problems)
Many thanks in Advance
Paul

In view of Alan's medical problems, can we all agree to nudge this every couple of days? I am not a lover of nudges, but it seems useful here.

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But Ellen we aren't at all sure now that we are looking at Agnes McCaskie. We are trying to work back from Boogie's grandfather John b 1894 in Portsmouth, to John Wilson and Emma. We currently have no idea where John was born, we only know his father was William, a shipwright.

We have to now think of ways of finding the service history of John Wilson with the Royal Navy, or his daughter's records at the Orphan School before we can even think about tracing his father.

Boogie, perhaps you should edit your post at the beginning to explain that Agnes McCaskie might not be the right wife.

Name: Ellen Wilson
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Waterford, Ireland
Civil parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: Sheffield Barracks
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Wilson 40
Ellen Wilson 14
Margaret Wilson 12
Maria Wilson 8
Elizabeth Wilson 1
John Wilson 5


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AGNES LOUDEN MCCASKIE Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 JUL 1839 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland

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Parents:
Father: JOHN MCCASKIE Family
Mother: HELEN LOUDEN


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WILLIAM WILSON Pedigree
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Spouse: AGNES MCCASKIE Family
Marriage: 25 NOV 1859 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland



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If you go my the names on the Certificates you have then it is the Scottish marriage that you need

Don't worry Boogie, go at your own pace.

The family in Sheffield Barracks is unlikely to be yours. I know Sheffield Barracks - now a shopping centre!

Dea, the school is a good idea.

Boogie, do you know what happened to the girls of the family? Dorothy and Christina. It might be worth trying to trace them, to see if any living rellies know if their father John came from Liverpool.

Ok Ellen ..sorry..trying to get up to speed with this..little tied as all.

Ellen ....We think that one is an Army family...rather than the Navy connection we are looking for...

Thanks Ellen,

If it turns out i have the correct cert..that might be the marriage of Agnes & William were looking for...but right now...it appears we are still not yet convinced I have the right cert..

But neverless might help exclude other possibilities..and cut down the search..

Paul

Shame as I used to live in Portsmouth..but only started researching my family once I had moved to Scotland!....lol..

Typical.. I was so close to so much info..yet now.....

Thats the way my life goes..."so close..yet so far"

I even worked on the navy base for 18 years!!!...ironic

Paul :-)

Yes, it does!

Anyway, when you are feeling a little better I think the Orphan School Records might be a useful line to follow.

Perhaps someone will leave some ideas for you on here as to how you might follow that up?

Dea x

Thank you Dea for your kind words.

I was on steroinds..injections and tablets...but I am no longer on them.
Becuase my white blood cell count is low..I have been told not to take my meds until a new blood test (this morning).
But as Im not taking anything otehr than blood pressure tabs and Paractamols....the pain is coming back....

I am taking Amytriptolene for the sleepless night..not really working as yet.
Life really does suck sometimes.

Anyway...Yes I have looked at the 1911 census..and found that Emma was a widow and some of the kids are in homes of sorts...as you had pointed out.

It never fails to amaze me this family tree lark!.....

Don't worry Boogie - just rest and get yourself well.

I know how you feel - do you end up with a big black/blue/yellow + purple bruise every time you have your blood test - I do !!! - I hate it!

Just gone back on steroids myself as had severe breathing problems yet again so sleeping (or trying to) sitting up in the spare room - hopefully back in bed tonight.

Hey ho! - such is life as we get older.

Try not to get too depressed about it all - come back to us when you are ready. - We will still be here (hopefully - tee hee!)

Dea x

Soory again Guys & gals..

I have been so busy past 2 days..I have not been able to follow up on here..very sorry.

I had my physio yesterday..andso wasn't on later..to tied..then today I had to go for another blood test..and then I had to complete my paper round.
And as you cam imagine being tied from yesterday..and today..I am very tied now..and in pain.

I could just scream...!!!

I do very much apreaciated folks help..I really do...
Again ..I'll run an eye over the sizable amount of relpies and see where we are....
For give any tyoing errors..my hands and finger are one of my main arthitic areas...so mistake are made..and ofen...

Sorry, I have been looking all morning but can't find him on 1901!

However, I did have a thought............

Emma is a widow on 1911, living with son John + daughter Dorothy. BUT - Christina is a pupil in the Royal Seamen & Mariners Orphan School, St. Michael's Road, Southsea.

I wonder if it would be possible to trace any records from there as they may give some detail on her father or at least when he died?

I am not sure how to go about this but I am sure someone will know.

Dea x

The 1901 censusonline has HMS Wye. There appear to be only 4 people on it, none are John Wilson or anything remotely close.