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Did William sign as a witness at the marriage of Frances in Portsmouth?

Was she working in Portsmouth?
One would have expected her to have married in Wickham if the family were still living there.


The 'other' William possibly came from a military family and may have been born at Shorncliffe ( near Folkestone) which had and still has a military camp.
Gwyn

Hello Catherine,

Yes I have my William's date of birth as 1802 but thats only because I worked it out from his age on the 1841 census. The children's ages are correct as I have seen a copy of the parish records. The other Hawkins family appear not to have had any of their children baptised in Wickham.

This is were it has all become confused...........two families with mostly the same names and dates and same ages.

Rg,
Pam

To Catherine.

Yes............ you are right Fraces's father is down as a labourer on her marriage cert. She married at St. Marys church Portsea Island (Portsmouth) in 1867. Her first child was registered in the Wickham area 1869........so she may have gone home to her parents to have the child ! This is what leads me to think that William and Ann were still in the Wickham area

Regards,
Pam

The only William Hawkins I can find in 1871 is the same one as the 1851 census:-
Name: William Hawkins
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Sharnecliffe, Kent, England

Address: Winchester Road

Civil parish: Wickham
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hawkins 69 (Bricklayers Lab.)
Ann Hawkins 64 - (1807)
George Hawkins 31
Thomas Hawkins 23
Amelia Medwinter 13 - grandaughter
John Sadler 8 - grandson

but here he is noted as being born in 1802 as was your William?

Hi Catherine,

I have seen acopy of her marriage cert at our local Records Office and his job is not recored.................but I will double check as I made a note of it SOMEWHERE !!!!!

I'm grateful for you help..............it's a complete mystry. I have been able to follow Williams brother James and sister Eliza.....but not him.

Regards,
Pam

His profession should be on the birth cert. of Frances Hawkins.
This does not however mean that he kept the same profession all his life. I have people on my tree that changed profession from census to census depending on where they could find work.
To be sure you could also buy the marriage cert. for Frances to see what his occupation was at that time. It will also give you her address so you will know where she was living at the time. This could help with your search for 1861.

Hello Catherine

William may have been a shoe maker.
His father William and brother James were shoe makers...................which I found out in later censuses. But as I can only find William in the1841 census it does not state his his job.

Pam

Hi Catherine,

Yes you're right.............and thats another reason I got THAT family mixed up with my family !

I just cannot find my Hawkins for 1851 and 61 !!!!! I found my grx2 grandandmother Frances in 1871 AFTER she married my grandfather x2.

Regrds,
Pam

For ref:- the family in 1841
Name: William Hawkins
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Wickham
Hundred: Titchfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hawkins 38
Ann Hawkins 35
Ann Hawkins 16
Caroline Hawkins 12
William Hawkins 12
Louisa Hawkins 10
Eliza Hawkins 8
Harriett Hawkins 6
Amelia Hawkins 3
George Hawkins 1 6 Mo

What was William's profession?

Hi Eileen..............if William is down as a bricklayer b. in Crondall Shorecliffe Kent................it's the other Hawkins family.............ref note to Cathleen.

In the `1841 Census my William had his father mother and brother and sister living near by...................I can find the brother and sister for 1851/61 but not my grx5 grandparents or their children ! It seems strange not to find them for TWO censuses !
Regards,
Pam

Pamela, the Francis in the 1851 census is 10 yrs. old so she was born in 1841!

Hi Cathleen,
This is the other family of Hawkins.................I spent a whole afternoon following this family............then found it was the wrong Hawkins !!!! the ages are the same; some of the names are the same but Frances my grx4 grandmother was born in 1841

BUT.............. many thanks for your time and effort,
Pam

Yes, Bishop's Waltham Road.
Eileen

Hi Eileen,

Thanks for the info..............I take it that the are all in Wickham ?

Pam

Possible?

Name: William Hawkins
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoren Clift, Kent, England

Civil parish: Wickham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: Bishop Walthams Road

Occupation: Bricklayers Lab.

Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Fareham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hawkins 41
Ann Hawkins 44 born: Steyning, Sussex
Hanah Hawkins 24 born: Brighton, Sussex
Louisa Hawkins 18 born: Wickham, Hampshire
Harriet Hawkins 16 all other children born Wickham
George Hawkins 12
Frances Hawkins 10
James Hawkins 8
Charles Hawkins 5
Thomas Hawkins 2
Ann Mary Fletcher 25 - Daughter ( Widow) born: Steyning, Sussex
Alfred Chas Hawkins 2 - Grandson born: Fareham, Hampshire

Hi, they are all there
HO/107 p 1661 f 339 page 25
Eileen

Hi all......is there a person who can look up for me the family of William b.abt 1802 and his wife Ann b,abt 1806 HAWKINS. I believe they were both born in Wickham Hampshire, They had all their children baptist in the local church of St. Nicholas. There were Ann 1825, William 1830, Caroline 1830, Louisa 1831, Eliza 1833 Harriot 1835, Amelia 1838 George 1840 and my grx4 grandmother Frances 1841. I have 1841census but cannot find them for 1851 and 1861...............the problem is that there is another family of William and Ann Hawkins ( he was born in Crondall Highcliffe) living in Wickham at the same time with some of the children having the same names. Would be grateful fo any information.
Pam