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ArgyllGran
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26 Apr 2020 12:07 |
Here's a family which more or less fits the known info:
Ellien Rielly in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 Name: Ellien Rielly Gender: Female Marital status: Single Age: 12 Birth Date: abt 1889 Birth Place: City Cork Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 House Number: 24 Residence Place: Ballymacthomas, Cork Urban No. 4, Cork, Ireland Relation to Head: Daughter Occupation: Scholar Religion: Catholic Literacy: Read write Household Members: Name Age Patrick Rielly 50 - quay labourer Mary Rielly 50 Michael Rielly 17 John Rielly 14 Ellien Rielly 12 James Rielly 6
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ArgyllGran
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26 Apr 2020 11:45 |
Looking at Andrew & Nellie's marriage cert for full info about Nellie, in case of further clues
6th Oct 1913, at St Joseph's RC Chapel, Helensburgh.
Andrew Donachie, irondriller, bachelor, 19. Address: 30 Second Avenue, Radnor Park, Clydebank. Parents: James Donachie, coachman. Elizabeth Donachie, ms McDonald, deceased.
Nellie Rielly, domestic servant (general), spinster, 22. Address: 9 Somerville Street, Clydebank. Parents: Patrick Rielly, dock labourer, deceased. Mary Rielly, ms Murphy, deceased. Witnesses: John A Coyle, Jean Connolly.
So apparently born 1891, although her death cert implies 1886. Unless she lied - maybe trying to sound younger, as Andrew was only 19.
There was a Nellie Reilly, 20, living in Bridgeton, Lanarkshire in 1911. BUT that's not her. That Nellie was with her parents James (47) and Jane (48) , and several siblings.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Apr 2020 09:56 |
There are a few possibles on the Irish 1901 census - assuming she was indeed born in Cork:
For example:
Ellen Rielly in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 Name: Ellen Rielly Gender: Female Marital status: Single Age: 17 Birth Date: abt 1884 Birth Place: County Cork Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 House Number: 7 Residence Place: Carrigaphooca, Kilnamartry, Cork, Ireland Relation to Head: Servant Occupation: Childs Maid Religion: Roman Catholic Literacy: Read and write Household Members: Name Age Henry Edward Appelbe 33 Lillie Appelbe 22 Eileen Maud Appelbe 1 James Long 19 Ellen Healy 17 Ellen Rielly 17
or this:
Ellen Rielly in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 Name: Ellen Rielly Gender: Female Marital status: Single Age: 15 Birth Date: abt 1886 Birth Place: Co Cork Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 House Number: 36 Residence Place: Main Street, Mallow South Urban, Cork, Ireland Relation to Head: Servant Occupation: Nurse Domestic Religion: R C Literacy: Read and write Household Members: Name Age Henry Mc Sweeney 34 Bridget Mc Sweeney 30 William McSweeney Teresa Coghlen 15 Thomas Lyons 19 Kate Hegarty 28 Ellen Rielly 15
or this:
Ellen Rielly in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 Name: Ellen Rielly Gender: Female Marital status: Single Age: 15 Birth Date: abt 1886 Birth Place: Co Cork Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 House Number: 6.1 Residence Place: Bridge Street, Ballydaheen, Mallow South Urban, Cork, Ireland Relation to Head: Step Son [ Yes, it does say stepson on the image, although also female] Occupation: Scholar Religion: Roman Catholic Literacy: Read and write Household Members: Name Age Michael Fitzgrald 41 Ellen Fitzgrald 35 Michael Fitzgrald 4 Ellen Rielly 15 Margaret Rielly 13 (and a lot of boarders)
[EDIT: NO, not that one above, of course, as her mother's name's Ellen, not Mary.]
or this:
Nellie Reilly in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 Name: Nellie Reilly Gender: Female Age: 17 Birth Date: abt 1884 Birth Place: Co Cork Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 Residence Place: Barrack Street, Mallow South Urban, Cork, Ireland Relation to Head: SisterInLaw Religion: R Catholic Household Members: Name Age Michael Garvin 38 Kate Garvin 29 Nellie Garvin 4 Hanorah Reilly 18 - sister-in-law Nellie Reilly 17 - sister-in-law
There are only three births that I can see , but none of them is your Helen/Nellie:
This one's parents were John and Catherine -
Ellen Rielly in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 Name: Ellen Rielly Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1885 Registration district: Mallow Birth Country: Ireland Volume: 5 Page: 443 FHL Film Number: 101060
SR District/Reg Area - Mallow Birth of ELLEN REILLY in 1886 Name ELLEN REILLY [ parents John & Ellen ] Date of Birth 1886 Group Registration ID 11160332 SR District/Reg Area Mallow
SR District/Reg Area - Cork Birth of ELLEN REILLY in 1887 [parents George & Kate ] Name ELLEN REILLY Date of Birth 1887 Group Registration ID 11785655 SR District/Reg Area Cork
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ErikaH
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26 Apr 2020 09:10 |
If she WAS born in Ireland, she may simply not be on any Scottish censuses
Try the 1901 and 1911 IRISH censuses - FREE
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
ALSO......................
Look for birth at
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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ArgyllGran
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25 Apr 2020 18:43 |
If she was indeed born in Ireland, she isn't any of the Helens in the censuses you have posted, as they were all born in Scotland - assuming the census info is correct.
The marriage, for our reference - she married as Nellie, not Helen:
DONACHIE ANDREW REILLY [ also registered as Rielly ] NELLIE 1913 503/ 33 Row or Rhu
She may not be on any Scottish census - she may only have come from Ireland after 1911.
There is this Helen Reilly in Scotland in 1911 - but you'd have to spend credits on ScotlandsPeople to see any more about her. There's a Henry Reilly, 22, living with this Helen - they may be a couple who married in 1911, in which case not your Helen.
REILLY HELEN 1911 F 24 622/2 7/ 7 Shettleston Lanark
There's also one aged 26 in Dundee, but she's married with a child.
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2020 18:40 |
It would be worth finding the paperwork to see whether it is actual proof, or just someone’s idea.
Her father’s occupation should be on her marriage cert - what was it?
None of the census records you have copied shows a birthplace in Ireland
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 17:57 |
This is the names on her marriage cert and death cert. At the time when I was starting my research there was two other family members doing the same and had the information that helen was born in Ireland, they are no longer researching. I do have some paperwork somewhere in a wooden box saying she was born Cork Ireland.
Regards Samantha
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2020 17:31 |
Did she give the same info about them on her marriage cert?
You haven’t said why you think she was born in Ireland
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 17:00 |
Helen's parents are listed as Patrick Reilly and Mary Murphy.
Regards Samantha
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2020 16:50 |
DONACHIE HELEN 83 1969 510/1 180 Dunoon
What does the death cert say about her parents?
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2020 16:49 |
How do you know she was born in Ireland?
What evidence is there, please?
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 16:45 |
Helen Reilly is my Great Grandmother. Born 29/08/1886 in Ireland She married my Great Grandfather Andrew Donachie in Scotland 06/10/1913 And sadly passed away 03/11/1969 in Dunoon Scotland.
Regards Samantha
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2020 16:33 |
You MUST - please - tell us how you got back to her.
What relation is she to you?
No-one can really help unless you tell us that
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 15:05 |
Good afternoon all
What I was trying to find was which one of the Helen Reilly's was more likely to be mine and if anyone had any advise for me so I could investigate further.
many thanks Samantha
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 15:04 |
1891 Name: Helen Reilly Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relationship: Patient Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 622/1 Registration district: Maryhill Civil Parish: Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: Eastpark, Gairbraid Street, Maryhill near Glasgow ED: East Park Home for Infirm Children Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 Line: 24 Roll: CSSCT1891_221
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1901 Living at 136 Reid Street, Glasgow
Annie Reilly abt 1871 Coatbridge, Lanarkshire Daughter In Law Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire
Catherine Reilly abt 1830 Ireland Sons Wife Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire
Helen Reilly abt 1888 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Grand Daur (Granddaughter) Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire
Kate Reilly abt 1889 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Grand Daur (Granddaughter) Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire
Patrick Reilly (Engine keeper) abt 1861 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire
Thomas Reilly abt 1812 Ireland Head Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire
1891 Living at 136 Reid Street, Glasgow
Helen Reilly abt 1888 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Grand - Daur (Granddaughter) Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire
Joseph Reilly (Calico print worker) abt 1872 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire
Patrick Reilly (Chemical labourer) abt 1861 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire
Thomas Reilly (Chemical labourer) abt 1827 Ireland Head Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire
Catherine Reilly abt 1828 Ireland Wife Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 15:03 |
1891 Name: Helen Reilly Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relationship: Patient Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 622/1 Registration district: Maryhill Civil Parish: Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: Eastpark, Gairbraid Street, Maryhill near Glasgow ED: East Park Home for Infirm Children Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 Line: 24 Roll: CSSCT1891_221
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 15:02 |
This seems likely to be Helen in 1901.........you said she married in an RC Church, so this fits
Name: Helen Rielly Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relationship: Scholar Gender: Female Where born: Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire Registration Number: 644/4 Registration district: Calton Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers County: Lanarkshire Address: 570 Gallowgate, Glasgow Occupation: Inmate And Scholar ED: Catholic Orphanage for Girls Page: 7 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1
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Samantha
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25 Apr 2020 15:00 |
I have deleted the thread, it was done about an hour ago.
Regards Samantha
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2020 14:38 |
You haven't deleted the thread you posted earlier today. Please do so, to save people wasting time looking for info on that one. Thank you
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ErikaH
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25 Apr 2020 14:36 |
People will not want to trawl through all the pages on here
Please say how you got back to Helen Reilly - presumably, she is your direct line?
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