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Just to say thanks to everyone who replied,i now have plenty of info to proceed.
Big thank you to G.R. great site.
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KathrynB, they both look good to me.
Hows this? Thomas Jones b1856 Jun Qtr Wakefield
9c 30.
Earlier you mentioned prisoner, how about this?
1891 Census Thomas Jones 33 married b Bradford.
Inmate HMP Wakefield, WOW!!! a skeleton in my cupboard maybe.
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Here we have a Thomas Jones, coal miner, in Castleford in 1881:
Name: Thomas Jones
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: (Town N K), Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Castleford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Herbert St
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Pontefract
Sub-registration district: Castleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
William Davies 24
Mary Harris 32
Mary Harris 72
William Harris 35
Thomas Jones 20
And here we have another one:
Name: Thomas Jones
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Castleford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 67 Duke St
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Pontefract
Sub-registration district: Castleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Eliza Jones 31
Richard Jones 30
Richard Jones 4
Thomas Jones 26
Thomas Parsons 30
There's at least a good chance he's one of them.
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KathrynB, I received Henry's B.C. this morning.
It shows Elizabeth Jones formerly Edwards as mother, Thomas Jones as father coal miner.
On the marriage Cert. Thomas as batchelor, Elizabeth as spinster. Thanks for sticking with me.
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You have the details? Father Thomas Jones, mother Elizabeth Edwards? (edited -- I said Thomas Roberts at first. I can only thank my stars there is no Welsh in me.)
Just to be sure Elizabeth was his mother. Other possibility is that Thomas was previously married. Thomas-Elizabeth marriage cert should specify what their status was at time of married (i.e. if widowed).
Name: Henry Jones
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Pontefract
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9c
Page: _31
Have to check the image for page number if ordering certificate. Or that's what you've got now?
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Hello again, just found more info, Thomas's first child was Henry, born 19th Nov 1884 in Whitwood Yorks,
this is two full years before Thomas & Elizabeth married. The birth was recorded 2nd Jan 1885.Pontifract Castleford Yorks.
Does this mean Thomas was from Yorkshire?
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ahhh but then all genealogist would be female?
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Ew.
It only occurred to me to search for "Tom" when I was looking at a Thomas for the father, and he had a son Tom. You don't often run across nicknames in the censuses, and it doesn't occur to Ancestry to return Toms for Thomas.
But serially ... don't you think he fits? And what does it matter what either of us thinks? I do wish it worked that way though: genealogy by logic.
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well, when he sang his duets album he was ok..... lol
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What, you don't like my Tom Jones, Wayne??
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These are all The Thomas Jones, aged about 34 in 1891 and all Coal Miners.....
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Shifnal
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Newport
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Lichfield
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Wolverhampton
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Dudley
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Dudley
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Dudley
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Stourbridge
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Prescot
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Prescot
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Wigan
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Wigan
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Barton Upon Irwell
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Salford
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Ashton Under Lyne
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Hemsworth
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Lanchester
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Durham
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Newcastle Upon Tyne
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Tynemouth
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Abergavenny
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Bedwellty
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Pontypool
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Newport
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Merthyr Tydfil
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Merthyr Tydfil
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Merthyr Tydfil
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Merthyr Tydfil
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Merthyr Tydfil
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Bridgend
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Bridgend
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Pontardawe
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Swansea
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Swansea
Household JONES, Thomas 35 M Llanelly
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Llanelly
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Llanelly
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Haverfordwest
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Crickhowell
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Holywell
Household JONES, Thomas 33 M Holywell
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Wrexham
Household JONES, Thomas 34 M Ruthin
Household JONES, Thomas Bonn 35 M Newport
Household JONES, Thomas E 35 M Pontardawe
Household JONES, Thomas H 33 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas M 33 M Pontypool
Household JONES, Thomas N 35 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thomas T 33 M Merthyr Tydfil
Household JONES, Thos 35 M Pontypridd
Household JONES, Thos 35 M Neath
Household JONES, Thos Edwin 35 M Shifnal
Household JONES, Tom 35 M Lanchester
Household JONES, Tom M 34 M Pontefract
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Not having much luck finding a matching Tom/Thomas pre-marriage, but I wonder about this one in 1861:
Name: Thomas Jones
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Monmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Monmouth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Monmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 207
Elizabeth Goodall 36
Mary A Jones 30 - lodger, widow, laundress
Thomas Jones 6
Mary A Powell 42
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In 1901, we have:
Name: Thomas Jones
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Basingstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: Basingstoke
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basingstoke
Sub-registration district: Basingstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142A
Ancestry has completely screwed that one up ... found the right image finally. Occupation is "navvy", i.e. railway labourer. Every worker in the long list, with a wide range of ages, is shown as single; bad assumption / carelessness on someone's part, I'd think.
I like him. Starts out matching the occupation, and explains the absences.
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Ozibird thanks again,& thanks to everyone who has replied, i must dash off now, i will try& log on later, please keep your posts comming. Thanka again H.
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Whaddaya think of this guy in 1891?
Name: Tom Jones
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Hathersage
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Hathersage
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Occupation: minor in the tunnel
Condition as to marriage: single
Registration district: Bakewell
Sub-registration district: Tideswell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
37
Annie Baker 3
Glen Baker 34
Jane Baker 37
Richard Baker 33
Tom Jones 35
Ali Smith 24
Black Tom Smith 40
George Wart 24
The other big occupation on those pages is "railway minor" (spelled sic).
It says single -- but he was a boarder, who would know or care?
It sounds like maybe a travelling railway gang -- excavating railway tunnels? Ties in with his trade, probably more lucrative than coal mining, would explain the absences ...
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1841 England Census
Name: Christopher Edward
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: East Allington
Hundred: Stanborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: Hartestone
Occupation:
Registration district: Kingsbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingsbridge
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Edward 39 - ag lab
Sarah Edward 39
Christopher Edward 10
Mary Edward 8
Jane Edward 5
Thomas Edward 2
Johanna Michelmore 85 - widow
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Grrr... went to sort my cheese platter out and your well on your way to sorting this one !!
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Births Jun 1861
EDWARDS Elizabeth Jane Kingsbridge 5b 203
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1851 England Census
Name: Christopher Edwards
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Stokenham, Devon, England
Civil Parish: East Allington
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: Harburton
Occupation: ag lab
Registration district: Kingsbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingsbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Edwards 42 - ag lab; Slapton
Sarah Edwards 42
Christopher Edwards 20
Sarah Edwards 2 [I believe her age is 8] - daughter; East Allington
William Edwards 4 - son; East Allington
William Michelmore 27 - son-in-law; ag lab
Elizabeth Michelmore 23 - East Allington
Christopher Michelmore 9 Mo
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Ozibird thanks yes again, What about Thomas Jones birth though?
I really do appreciate all the info it's good to have confrirmation. H.
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