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This seems to be the earliest Hurine birth in the GRO:


Name: Annie Hurine
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 130


And 1871 is the first appearance of the name in the English censuses ... barring mistranscriptions. Annie is recorded with her parents, her father being:


Name: William Hurine
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England


This would be son George in that household:


Name: George Hurin
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 128

But there's still no marriage for William, Hurine or Hurin.


I'd say -- get the children's birth certificates so you have the mother's name, and then find the marriage at FreeBMD -- her name marrying a William 1865-76ish.

If you don't have access to the census images, PM me an email address and I'll send you a copy.

Aha -- FreeBMD found it but Ancestry didn't -- ?


Marriages Mar 1867
Battersby William Manchester 8d 127
>> HURINE William Manchester 8d 127
>> RUSSELL Mary Jane Manchester 8d 127
WEBB Esther Manchester 8d 127


In 1871 there is also this person, who one would think is the father of that William:


Name: George Hurine
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 51

George Hurine 34
Mary Hurine 41


... but I oughta be letting you do this yourself. ;)

Now just don't be deleting this thread like some people do when they get sorted!

Your Hurine surname seems to be unique. From what I can tell, the Hurines in the records all spring from that family in Salford. And where they sprang from, I dunno.

I was muddled when I suggested that George and Mary were parents of William -- George and William are more likely brothers; they're about 10 years apart.

Been looking for a household that resembles their parents' household in 1851 and 1861, but to no avail.


Here's how to sort it out, though -- there are four pages of Hurines in people's trees here at GR.

Haha, mystery of the name solved.

Google

hurine salford

and you'll find a reference to an alternate version of the name. Then search for that name in the censuses in Salford.

Understandably, this branch decided to add something. ;)

Perhaps the change wasn't effective for the purpose, and Albert took it farther!

I'm going out in a minute, I wish I wasn't, so much to look at.
I've copied the whole thread to a word doc, so I can't loose it.
Thank you just doesn't go near to expressing my gratitude.
Dee x

You're very welcome! I just feel pretty thick for not having thought of that obvious variant earlier -- so I had to redeem myself. A fair bit more obvious than Harenc. ;)

Absolutely incredible

Once again Katty B comes up trumps.

Hurine and Salford. Their is a story there.

73 Hurine's on GR mostly Greater Manchester.

Dee - You must have some connections there.

Have fun

You lose again, Robert! ;)

That one's a given name too:

http://www.co.hinds.ms.us/pgs/apps/real_property_billing_roll_list_
detail.asp?ID=08240064000

You know the yanks and their fondness for -een names for women, especially among the white folks in southern locations: Lureen, that sort of thing. (That listing's in Plano, and believe it or not, I know Plano well. Spent a year there one weekend. Two trips, actually. A wedding and a funeral. About as much beer consumed in the pickup trucks in the parking lot at one as at the other ... and two trips deep into the belly of Texas were more than enough for me.)

But how *did* you find that battle orders one? My belated red-faced apologies for dissing that one, of course.

Well I've done a quarter by quarter search from 1916 to 1928 for Harry's birth, Hurine, Hurene & Huraine no luck, any other ideas?
Dee x

PS I've found a birth for Henry Turner 1912 Q4 Preston.

Hmm. That Henry's mother's surname was Turner -- she wasn't married.

Could be worth a try, since there's nobody else!

I'd get the Hurine-Turner marriage certificate first to see how old she was. Reports on Albert are a little conflicting -- he's older in the 1901 census than the birth record indicates, but the birth record would be the reliable source. By it, Albert would have been 18 in 1912. If Rebecca were the same age, should could have had a child before marrying Albert.

And would that not just rot your socks?? After all this, Harry would quite likely not be a Hurine at all.

But your husband would be a prime candidate for DNA testing, if he really wanted to know who his paternal ancestors were. He is (or not) the son of a male Hurine, so his DNA could be compared to a pedigreed Hurine and the question answered. There aren't many of them, so your field might be limited.

If Rebecca Turner herself was from Salford, there seem to be two candidates in the births index:


Rebecca Turner 1892 Apr-May-Jun Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Rebecca Turner 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire


Both would be older than Albert Hurine. So I'd start with the marriage certificate and see what it says about her. If you're dying of curiosity, get the Turner birth certificate at the same time and see whether the mother was Rebecca.

And let us know!!!

I ordered the marriage cert last night, not due till the 11th, woe is me!
I will certainly keep you informed.
Thanks
Dee x

Marriage cert:
Albert Hurine 21 bachelor- father Samuel Hurine (dec'd)
Rebecca Turner 23 spinster-father James Turner

Dee x

Birth certs:
Albert Hurine 1896- father Samuel Hurine- mother Tabitha formerly Hall
Rebecca Turner 1892-father James Turner- mother Ellen formerly Worthington

Thank you for your help in getting me on the right track with this family

Dee x

Okay, I can't resist.

Hip Hip HURENE!


harharharharhar.


But ... what about Henry himself?

Henry Turner 1912 Q4 Preston

Are you getting that one?

So where are Albert and his parents in the 1901 census??

Kathryn
I didn't get that one!

I'm so useless, I've searched all the births abroad because Albert was in the army, I've haven't found Harry, I'm going to order that one, I'm so excited!
I've just looked through my notes, I'm sure I've got the 1901 but can't find it at the moment. doooh

Dee x

Wondering why I didn't get that one, probably looking 10 years too late, looking at the pictures of Harry, he looks 30ish in 1946

Dee x

It's always surprising to see both how old and how young some of the people that fought the wars were. My gr-uncle who died in WWI was well over 30 when he signed up.

Well ... so he said. But since he's the mysterious son of that mysterious gr-grfather Monck, supposedly born in 1884 but whose birth was apparently never registered ... I wouldn't know. If my current wild theory were true, and he was the son of the gr-grfather's sister, then he was pushing 40.


I was looking for Albert in the 1901 to redeem myself, because earlier in this thread I seem to have hooked him up to the wrong parents. That one's still the only one I see, though:

Name: Albert Hurine
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Sophie
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

... and there isn't one in the birth index to match that one (an Alfred does).


The parents existed, though:


Marriages Jun 1875
Hall Tabitha Salford 8d 66
HURINE Samuel Salford 8d 66
HURING Samuel Salford 8d 66


I always wonder whether a correction was spontaneous by FreeBMD, or someone submitted it, and if so who ...

hummmm

Have had contact with the son on John Hurine, who, he thought was the youngest son of Samuel.
Did Harry exist, did Alfred exist? I'm going to get the cert for Harry Turner, see if that helps

Thanks
Dee x