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1871:


Name: Ann Roberts
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
-- nonsense; it says "daughter", not "ditto"
-- daughter of Catherine Jones; Ancestry has put them in separate households
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Name: Catherine Jones
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Taltarnia (I can't read it either)
Occupation: Lodging House Keeper

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household schedule number: 188


Just throwin' 'em out ...

nope not the landscape gardener as ann on 1891 still at home [our ann married 1884 west derby and still happy ever after in 1901] with japheth as hes now become with a new wife as well but kids all present and correct.

Well thomas and marys m.c is here but it goes from bad to worse
21st dec 1897
thomas roberts 31 bachelor mariner
father ..joseph roberts .. joiner ..

mary jennings 22 spinster
father ..ALEXANDER jennings..painter..

in the presence of elias williams and mary ann fenner

and mary and thomas were both living at cases st ...

i can not find catherine jennings..1881

mary jennings 1875 alone or together with alex or with just a mother OR

annie eliza roberts 1862
thomas roberts 1866 with a joseph either

i would be eternally grateful for more help as im fit to put my head in the gas oven with this lot
vivienne

I'm forgetting what may have been figured out about Catherine ...


1881:


Name: Ellen Jennings
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 26 Hockenall Alley
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Occupation: Mangling

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Catherine Jennings 13
Ellen Jennings 44
Mary Ann Jennings 8


Looks like an excellent candidate.


Unfortunately, it also looks a lot like this household in 1871:


James Crickard 30
James Dougherty 20
Catharine Jennings 3 - born Ireland
Ellen Jennings 39
James Jennings 9 months
Patrick Jennings 36
Thomas Jennings 32 - head, dock labourer


although the Ellens' ages are quite different.


I'm afraid you're going to find that the Jennings at least were recent arrivals from Ireland, and you won't find your girls in a household with Alexander in England.

catherine was age 87 in 1968 at time of death ..makes her 1881ish birth and mary was 23 at time of death makes her 1876ish birth

but its the roberts side im most interested in and any suggestions what i can do [other than unprintable ones]to find them other than annie mcdougall nee roberts b.c which im sending off for and hoping its the right one would help..thanks...

and also why are there so few welsh cristian names on the census,s? bmd,s etc ..did they just anglicise them to what they heard or just to make things easier for the goverment depts to read them?
vivienne

Hello everybody,specialy kb,lfw and hp.
thought you might like to know the outcome of all this
the way i see it anyhow
ann eliza b.c says parents joseph and elizabeth
i find ann eliza on census 1871 with joseph c1832[joiner and builder]
elizabeth nee williams c1832
both born mold flintshire north waes
mary e c1855 rhyl flintshire
sarah j c1858 west derby

AND

ROBERT T !! C1866 everton lancs

1871
have joseph and elizabeth
sarah j now married to andrew neilson SAILOR.
william r c1876
and robert t ..joiner..

SO ! by my powers of mis deduction i have decided this is the family of eer and that THOMAS lost the robert upon leaving home to become a mariner/ joiner/fireman.

which is why i coulnt find a birth for him that i was sure of.
thank you all for your time and help on this and now i can start on mary jennings again and cause more confusion.
the home made pear wine is ready and is VERYstrong so im treating you all to a glass or two ...bottoms up folks.
viviienne xx