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Hi Dea just had a look at the date..1868..this could have been a grandson as my William was born 1798

Thank you Chris and Dea

sounds like William was often in scraps!

Now my main puzzle is to try and find out why/how Eunice ended up In Ireland with Abraham giving birth to William?!

As per Chris's post above, this was a William Owen who spent a few days in Gaol in 1868 and was in the Stonehouse area, but he was only a boy ??

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48022190

Dea x

That would be Overseers...(to see info. you need Gloucestershire Archives, or can be ordered from that link)

Could be as in Workhouse?.

Possibly William, not sure if any other about in Stonehouse at that time...

Chris :)

(and below if him, or another)

01 August 1874 - Gloucester Journal - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

William Owen, a plasterer, of Stonehouse, was charged with assaulting Henry Fellows on July 22nd. Complainant, who is in the employ of the Stroud-water Canal Company, saw the defendant and several other men fishing in the Canal at Eastington, and followed them to get their names, when defendant threatened to throw him into the Canal, and took hold of him and shook him. Fined 12s and 8s costs.

Hi Chris

Thank you what does overseas ordering information mean?

and does this mean William was in gaol at some point

Thank you

Looks like below might relate...

Chris :)

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

(Gloucestershire Archives
Genealogical Search)

1804 owen abia C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information
1804 owen ann C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information
1804 owen william C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information
1804 owen eunice C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information
1804 owen melicant C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information
1804 owen william C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information
1804 owen abraham C P316 OV 3/4/205 shearman Oredering Information


1868 owen william U Stonehouse Q/Gc6/5 labourer Gaol


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Melicent
Last name Owen
Gender Female
Baptism year 1809
Baptism date 24 Dec 1809
Place Stonehouse
County Gloucestershire
Father's first name(s) Abraham
Father's last name Owen
Mother's first name(s) Eunice

Thank you Jude..very kind.
I need to research and find out why Eunice went too..very strange if she was pregnant!!

Going out now will have another look later..Thank you

Elizabeth here are the certificates as transcribed by Austin

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48020148

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48020030

Yes, it seems strange that she went...and they would have been newly married (perhaps she was already pregnant with William when they married)?

Jude

I wonder why Eunice would have gone too ?!!

Thank you so much for all this information ...wow..have a good day at work!! tahnk you

I have to go to work now- but will pop by later and see if anything else turns up.

A little history- fits with a birth in Ireland:

http://glosters.tripod.com/militia1.htm

North Gloucester Militia

In 1792 they were recalled and moved to Plymouth and in 1795 were at Weymouth. King George III was also at Weymouth and the battalion was granted the title of 'Royal'.

When the rebellion broke out in Ireland in 1798, the Royal North Gloucestershire Militia volunteered to serve. They moved to Pill, near Bristol, and sailed for Dublin....

They then marched to Drogheda but saw no action...

.........April 1799 the battalion returned to England
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So, if the dates are correct, William was born in Ireland between September 1798 and April 1799.

Thanks Jude :)

Elizabeth- I think Abraham and Eunice were William's parents- there are no marriage certificates before 1837- the entry above for William and Caroline is a parish record (it gives no other details).

I think this is the marriage of Abraham and Eunice- perhaps Abraham was in Ireland serving with the North Gloucester Militia:

Record set Dorset Marriages
Gender Male
First name(s) Abraham
Last name Owen
Marriage year 1798
Spouse's First Name Eunice
Spouse's Last Name Bryon
County Dorset
Country England
Place Wyke Regis
By licence or by banns Banns
Description All Saints
Marriage date 26 Feb 1798
Notes North Glooucester Militia <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse parish otp
Witnesses William INGRAM?, Wm. BUSSELL

Wow thank you Austin..that is amazing..am considering ordering the marriage certificate for William and Caroline..however I am really confused about the irish connection

So Abraham and Eunice are William's parents?..can you see any Irish connection here

What a puzzle and thank you

Good finds Austin!

Jude

I believe this is William's marriage- Caroline's surname Horsbourn being a variation of Osborne:

Name: William Owen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 27 May 1828
Spouse: Caroline Horsbourn
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Hempsted, Gloucestershire
Parish as it Appears: Hempstead
Register Type: Parish Registers

Both of the Hamlet of Littleworth
Witnesses were John Owen and Abia Owen
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I would assume that the Witnesses, John and Abia, were relatives of William. This is Abia's baptism and marriage:

Name: Abia Owen
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1803
Baptism Place: Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Stonehouse
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father: Abraham Owen
Mother: Eunice Owen

Marriage:
Name: Abia Owen
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 9 Jun 1829
Spouse: John Rodway
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Stonehouse, Gloucestershire
Witnesses: Catherine Perron? and John Owen
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I would think this is the burial of mother, Eunice:

First name(s) Eunice
Last name Owen
Birth year 1763
Death year 1847
Age 84
Burial year 14th February 1847
Place Stonehouse
Church description ST CYR
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Gloucestershire
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And this is Eunice and Abraham in 1841- TWO doors down from William.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stonehouse Street, Stonehouse, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England

Abraham Owen Male 60 1781 Labourer Gloucestershire, England
Unis Owen Female 75 1766 Gloucestershire, England
Ann Owen Female 40 1801 Washer woman Gloucestershire,
Charles Owen Male 15 1826 Plasterer Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Owen Female 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England
Richard Owen Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England
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Abraham in 1851 (still two doors down from William):

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stonehouse, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England

Frederick Perkins Head Married Male 29 1822 Ag Lab Stonehouse, Gloucestershire,
Sarah Perkins Wife Married Female 28 1823 - Stonehouse, Gloucestershire,
Albert Perkins Son - Male 1 1850 - Stonehouse, Gloucestershire,
Abraham Owen Visitor Widower Male 72 1779 Pargiter's Lab Wotton-Under-Edge, Gloucestershire
Hannah Hewlett Visitor Widow Female 60 1791 Farmers Wife Stonehouse, Gloucestershire
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And Abraham's death:
First name(s) ABRAHAM
Last name OWEN
Gender Male
Death quarter 3
Death year 1852
District Stroud
County Gloucestershire
Volume 6A Page 174

Thank you so much Jude for all your help with this. He obviously came over with his parents I guess. Thank you

This is his death I think

Name: William Owen
Birth Year: abt 1797
Death Year: abt 1882
Death Age: 85
Burial Date: 16 Jul 1882
Parish: Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Stonehouse
Register Type: Parish Registers

No nearer to helping with when he came over from Ireland

Ancestry does bring up this

Name: William Owen
Birth Year: abt 1799
Age: 5y
Residence Year: 1804
Residence: Stonehouse
Reference Number: P316 OV 3/4/205

It's not much help as you have to order the original. But if it is him, he came over to Stonehouse very early on

Jude

And back to Drogheda for 1861

Name: William Owen
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: 1800
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Gireland, Drogheda
Civil Parish: Stonehouse
Town: Stonehouse
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Stroud
Sub-registration district: Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Piece: 1771
Folio: 27
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Owen 61
George Owen 29
Martha Owen 19

Jude

And this is 1881
Name: William Owen
Age: 83
Estimated birth year: abt 1798
Relationship to Head: Father in Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Dublin, Ireland
Civil Parish: Stonehouse
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: Oldens
Marital Status: Widower
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Parchester (Slater)
Registration district: Stroud
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2541
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Butlin 49
Eliza Butlin 43
William Owen 83

Now he says he is from Dublin not Drogheda

Jude