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malyon
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14 Mar 2017 23:29 |
if his son was born in 1831 he must have come from Ireland before that I don't think you can find when he came I can't see a marriage for a owen and Osborne n uk
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Elizabeth
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15 Mar 2017 08:09 |
Thank you
Is there anyway i can trace William Owen in Ireland. I know alot of records were destroyed but am not sure when?
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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15 Mar 2017 09:56 |
This is William in 1871 I think
Name: William Owen Age: 71 Estimated birth year: abt 1800 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Drogheda, Ireland Civil Parish: Stonehouse Town: Stonehouse County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Stroud Sub-registration district: Stonehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 30 Piece: 2628 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age John Bustin 39 Eliza Bustin 33 George Bustin 10 Caroline Bustin 8 Eliza Bustin 7 William Owen 71
He is a widower and a plasterer. So it narrows down Ireland to Drogheda
Jude
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15 Mar 2017 10:01 |
And this is 1881 Name: William Owen Age: 83 Estimated birth year: abt 1798 Relationship to Head: Father in Law Gender: Male Where born: Dublin, Ireland Civil Parish: Stonehouse County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Oldens Marital Status: Widower Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Parchester (Slater) Registration district: Stroud ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2541 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age John Butlin 49 Eliza Butlin 43 William Owen 83
Now he says he is from Dublin not Drogheda
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15 Mar 2017 10:03 |
And back to Drogheda for 1861
Name: William Owen Age: 61 Estimated birth year: 1800 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Gireland, Drogheda Civil Parish: Stonehouse Town: Stonehouse County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Stroud Sub-registration district: Stonehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 98 Piece: 1771 Folio: 27 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age William Owen 61 George Owen 29 Martha Owen 19
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15 Mar 2017 10:12 |
This is his death I think
Name: William Owen Birth Year: abt 1797 Death Year: abt 1882 Death Age: 85 Burial Date: 16 Jul 1882 Parish: Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Stonehouse Register Type: Parish Registers
No nearer to helping with when he came over from Ireland
Ancestry does bring up this
Name: William Owen Birth Year: abt 1799 Age: 5y Residence Year: 1804 Residence: Stonehouse Reference Number: P316 OV 3/4/205
It's not much help as you have to order the original. But if it is him, he came over to Stonehouse very early on
Jude
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Elizabeth
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15 Mar 2017 18:37 |
Thank you so much Jude for all your help with this. He obviously came over with his parents I guess. Thank you
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AustinQ
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16 Mar 2017 08:30 |
I believe this is William's marriage- Caroline's surname Horsbourn being a variation of Osborne:
Name: William Owen Gender: Male Marriage Date: 27 May 1828 Spouse: Caroline Horsbourn Event Type: Marriage Parish: Hempsted, Gloucestershire Parish as it Appears: Hempstead Register Type: Parish Registers
Both of the Hamlet of Littleworth Witnesses were John Owen and Abia Owen -----------------------------------------
I would assume that the Witnesses, John and Abia, were relatives of William. This is Abia's baptism and marriage:
Name: Abia Owen Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1803 Baptism Place: Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Stonehouse Register Type: Parish Registers Father: Abraham Owen Mother: Eunice Owen
Marriage: Name: Abia Owen Gender: Female Marriage Date: 9 Jun 1829 Spouse: John Rodway Event Type: Marriage Parish: Stonehouse, Gloucestershire Witnesses: Catherine Perron? and John Owen --------------------------------------------
I would think this is the burial of mother, Eunice:
First name(s) Eunice Last name Owen Birth year 1763 Death year 1847 Age 84 Burial year 14th February 1847 Place Stonehouse Church description ST CYR Church denomination ANGLICAN County Gloucestershire -----------------------------------------
And this is Eunice and Abraham in 1841- TWO doors down from William.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Stonehouse Street, Stonehouse, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Abraham Owen Male 60 1781 Labourer Gloucestershire, England Unis Owen Female 75 1766 Gloucestershire, England Ann Owen Female 40 1801 Washer woman Gloucestershire, Charles Owen Male 15 1826 Plasterer Gloucestershire, England Sarah Owen Female 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England Richard Owen Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England -------------------------------------------------
Abraham in 1851 (still two doors down from William):
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Stonehouse, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Frederick Perkins Head Married Male 29 1822 Ag Lab Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, Sarah Perkins Wife Married Female 28 1823 - Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, Albert Perkins Son - Male 1 1850 - Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, Abraham Owen Visitor Widower Male 72 1779 Pargiter's Lab Wotton-Under-Edge, Gloucestershire Hannah Hewlett Visitor Widow Female 60 1791 Farmers Wife Stonehouse, Gloucestershire ------------------------------------
And Abraham's death: First name(s) ABRAHAM Last name OWEN Gender Male Death quarter 3 Death year 1852 District Stroud County Gloucestershire Volume 6A Page 174
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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16 Mar 2017 08:40 |
Good finds Austin!
Jude
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Elizabeth
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16 Mar 2017 09:16 |
Wow thank you Austin..that is amazing..am considering ordering the marriage certificate for William and Caroline..however I am really confused about the irish connection
So Abraham and Eunice are William's parents?..can you see any Irish connection here
What a puzzle and thank you
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AustinQ
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16 Mar 2017 09:30 |
Thanks Jude :)
Elizabeth- I think Abraham and Eunice were William's parents- there are no marriage certificates before 1837- the entry above for William and Caroline is a parish record (it gives no other details).
I think this is the marriage of Abraham and Eunice- perhaps Abraham was in Ireland serving with the North Gloucester Militia:
Record set Dorset Marriages Gender Male First name(s) Abraham Last name Owen Marriage year 1798 Spouse's First Name Eunice Spouse's Last Name Bryon County Dorset Country England Place Wyke Regis By licence or by banns Banns Description All Saints Marriage date 26 Feb 1798 Notes North Glooucester Militia <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse parish otp Witnesses William INGRAM?, Wm. BUSSELL
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AustinQ
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16 Mar 2017 09:31 |
A little history- fits with a birth in Ireland:
http://glosters.tripod.com/militia1.htm
North Gloucester Militia
In 1792 they were recalled and moved to Plymouth and in 1795 were at Weymouth. King George III was also at Weymouth and the battalion was granted the title of 'Royal'.
When the rebellion broke out in Ireland in 1798, the Royal North Gloucestershire Militia volunteered to serve. They moved to Pill, near Bristol, and sailed for Dublin....
They then marched to Drogheda but saw no action...
.........April 1799 the battalion returned to England ----------------------------------
So, if the dates are correct, William was born in Ireland between September 1798 and April 1799.
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AustinQ
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16 Mar 2017 09:47 |
I have to go to work now- but will pop by later and see if anything else turns up.
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Elizabeth
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16 Mar 2017 09:53 |
Thank you so much for all this information ...wow..have a good day at work!! tahnk you
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Elizabeth
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16 Mar 2017 09:54 |
I wonder why Eunice would have gone too ?!!
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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16 Mar 2017 10:12 |
Elizabeth here are the certificates as transcribed by Austin
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48020148
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48020030
Yes, it seems strange that she went...and they would have been newly married (perhaps she was already pregnant with William when they married)?
Jude
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Elizabeth
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16 Mar 2017 11:01 |
Thank you Jude..very kind. I need to research and find out why Eunice went too..very strange if she was pregnant!!
Going out now will have another look later..Thank you
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Mar 2017 11:39 |
Looks like below might relate...
Chris :)
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx
(Gloucestershire Archives Genealogical Search)
1804 owen abia C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information 1804 owen ann C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information 1804 owen william C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information 1804 owen eunice C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information 1804 owen melicant C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information 1804 owen william C P316 OV 3/4/205 Overseers Ordering Information 1804 owen abraham C P316 OV 3/4/205 shearman Oredering Information
1868 owen william U Stonehouse Q/Gc6/5 labourer Gaol
England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Melicent Last name Owen Gender Female Baptism year 1809 Baptism date 24 Dec 1809 Place Stonehouse County Gloucestershire Father's first name(s) Abraham Father's last name Owen Mother's first name(s) Eunice
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Elizabeth
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16 Mar 2017 11:46 |
Hi Chris
Thank you what does overseas ordering information mean?
and does this mean William was in gaol at some point
Thank you
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Mar 2017 11:53 |
That would be Overseers...(to see info. you need Gloucestershire Archives, or can be ordered from that link)
Could be as in Workhouse?.
Possibly William, not sure if any other about in Stonehouse at that time...
Chris :)
(and below if him, or another)
01 August 1874 - Gloucester Journal - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
William Owen, a plasterer, of Stonehouse, was charged with assaulting Henry Fellows on July 22nd. Complainant, who is in the employ of the Stroud-water Canal Company, saw the defendant and several other men fishing in the Canal at Eastington, and followed them to get their names, when defendant threatened to throw him into the Canal, and took hold of him and shook him. Fined 12s and 8s costs.
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