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Hi Mary,thanks very much for the info much appreciated regards Tricia

hi Mary
Don't worry
Thanx for looking anyway, I have ordered certificate as soon as I get it I will be in touch again
kindest Regards Chris

Hi Julie
"filks" was meant to be folks.
SIL is Sister in law.

1841 Duntocher William Street,Old Kilpatrick
John Adam 80
Mary Adam 35
Christian Adam 15 cotton corder
George Adam 15 apprentice iron turner
John Adam 12 Male servant
Mary Adam 10
Margaret Adam 3
All born Dunbartonshire

John Adam b 1800 not showing on search

1861 Auchintorlie Cottage,Game keepers house,Old Kilpatrick
Thomas Drummond Head 39 Gamekeeper b Old Kilpatrick
Christian Drummond Wife 35 b Old Kilpatrick
Mary Drummond Daur 13 Scholar b Old Kilpatrick
James Drummond Son 12 Scholar b Old Kilpatrick
Elizabeth Drummond Daur 8 Scholar b Old K'patrick
Christian Drummond Daur 5 b Dunbarton
Catherine Drummond Daur 5 b Dunbarton
Thomas Drummond Son 3 b Dunbarton
Margaret Drummond Daur 1 b Dunbarton
Isabella McLaren Serv 32 Housekeeper b Aberfeldy
John McLaren Serv Farm Servant b Kinmore
Agnes Gillies Serv 15 Dairymaid b Bishopbriggs

I was not able to locate the family on 1871 census

1881 keepers cottage,Old Kilpatrick
Thomas Drummond Head 59 Gamekeeper
Christina Drummond Wife 55
Thomas Drummond Son 23 House joiner
John Drummond Son 18 House joiner
Malcolm Drummond Son 16 Blacksmith
Catherine Drummond Daur 15 At home
All born Old Kilpatrick

1891 Gamekeepers House Old Kilpatrick
Thomas Drummond Head 72 Gamekeeper
Christina Drummond Wife
Malcolm Drummond Son 26 Gamekeeper
Catherine Drummond Daur Dom Servant
Christina Sinclair 10 G daur
All born Old Kilpatrick

Regards
Mary

Hi Chris
Not good news on the White family.
I cannot find a John White b 1868c Bishopstone in any census from 1871 to 1891.
Another problem there are two Bishopstone places in Wiltshire,one near Swindon and one near Salisbury,I suspect the place is so small it is only known by locals(yokels).
Also I cannot find a marriage in the timescale.
Neither can I find a birth reg for Sissie.
The only birth reg I have found is for the youngest child on the 1901 census:
Violet Louisa White Dec Qtr 1900 Salisbury 5a 158.

I think the only way to trace the marriage is to get the birth cert for Violet which will have MMN on and hopfully we can find her and maybe John on the way.

So sorry,but lets hope it is only a minor breezeblock wall and not a major brickwall.

All best wishes
Mary

Hi Mary

Could you look up Sarah Mead born 1872. Should be living in Chiswick with William (born around 1834) and Henrietta Mead (born around 1854). I'm trying to find out what her birth place is. On the 1881 census it says Farnham Green and on the 1901 is says Chiswick. Could you look her up on the 1891 census. This could help in determining which one of Williams wives was her mother.

Thanks

Kat

Hi Patricia
Firstly the marriage:
William Green/Martha Smart Dec Qtr 1883 Basford 7b 352

1881 census
Greasley,Nottinghamshire
William Green Boarder 26 unm Coal miner b Haynes,Bedfordshire

next door
Martha Smart Head Widow 39
Harriet Smart Daur 15 Lace hand
Enoch Smart Son 9 Scholar
Henry Smart Son 7 Scholar
John Smart Son 5 Scholar
William Smart 3 Scholar
Ernest Smart 1
All born Kimberley,Nottinghamshire

1871 Wilhamstead,Bedfordshire
William Green Head 45 Ag lab b Wilstead,Beds
Elizabeth Green Wife 36 Plaiter b Southhull,Beds
William Green Son 16 Ag lab b Haynes,Beds
Joseph Green Son 14 Ag lab b Haynes
Martha Green Daur 6 b Haynes

1871 Quarry At,Greasley & Kimberley,Notts
John Smart Head 37 Coal miner
Martha Smart 30
Harriet Smart Daur
Henry Varley Boarder 26 Coal miner
All born Greasley

Regards
Mary

Hi Mary,
Any chance of some help please!!! Desperate.
I have a Lewis Jones married to Matilda Ann Miles in 1896 3rd October I have their Marriage cert. but was hoping to find Lewis's date of birth I have him aged 27 on the Wedding cert and his father is Joseph. They were living at High Street, Taibach, Glamorgan.
The marriage took place in Neath district, county of Glamorganshire and Brecon. Is there anyway of finding his correct birth cert I have tried the Hugh wallis site and can find one with a christening date of 17th December 1868 at Taibach which seem about right with father Joseph and mother Mary but on free bmd I have two coming up for Neath both with a vol 11a but they have different page no 513 and 478 same year I am unsure as to which one is correct.Can you help me at all or am I just going to have to get both.
Totally lost on this one so anything you have to offer in the way of help would be really appreciated. I have him on 1901 census with wife and 2 children Mary and John which also states born Taibach. Help!!
Many many thanks Brenda x

Hi Mary

Thanks for the census info on the Drummonds. I would love to have the later census info on Thomas.
Got a couple of questions...firstly what are filks? (family?) secondly.. on 1851 census Margaret Adam SIL 12 Scholar. Do you have any idea what the SIL stands for? Would it possibly be sister in law as Christian's maiden name is Adam.
Would you mind looking for John c1800 and Mary c 1806 Adam on 1841 census possibly with daughter Margaret c1840 and Christian 1823 in Old Kilpatrick.

Kind Thanks, Julie

Hi Mary
Thanx for that
I knew you wouldn't let me down
Please would you be so kind & trace the white family back through the other censuses for me?
Thank you very much
Kindest Regards Chris

Hi Mary woud it b possible for you to look up the 1871 census for William Green born(1852) Bedfordshire in 1881 he was married to Martha Smart(nee Varley) and living in Nottingham..I have no more details. thank you

Hi Carol

1891 Same address as 01
Thomas Winstanley Head 36 Stonemason
Elizabeth Winstanley Wife 35
Alice Winstanley Daur 12 Scholar
Thomas Winstanley Son 10 Scholar
Ellen Winstanley Daur 8 Scholar
All born Billinge

1871 Longshaw Village,Billinge Higher End,Lancs
Elizabeth Winstanley Head Widow 47 b Eccleston,Lancs
Thomas Winstanley Son 16 Quarry boy
Ann Winstanley Daur 10 Scholar
Sarah Winstanley DIL 29 Domestic servant
George Winstanley Gson 7mths
All born Billinge except Mum.

1861 Same address as 71
Thomas Winstanley Head 58 Flagstone merchant
Elizabeth Winstanley Wife 37 b Ecclestone
Sarah Winstanley Daur 18 b Billinge
Thomas Winstanley Son 6 Scholar b Billinge
Ann Winstanley Daur 3mths b Billinge

Not sure Sarah is Daughter in law as shown on 1871????

Regards
Mary

Hi Chris

What a tragedy married at 18,a widow at 21.

1901 Street,Odstock,Wiltshire
John White Head 33 Ag lab b Bishopstone,Wilts
Mary E White Wife 28 b Bishopstone,Wilts
Sissie M White Daur 5 b Odstock
Lilith E White Daur 3 b Odstock
Violet L White Daur 5mths b Odstock

All best wishes
Mary

Hi M&

Is this your Isabella on 1901 Scotland census??

Main Street,Whitburn,West Lothian
Duncan Stewart Head 56 Molecatcher b Callender,Perthshire
Isabella Stewart Wife 46 b Camb'Nethan
Matthew Stewart Son 22 Molecatcher
Isabella Stewart Daur 15
Duncan Stewart Son 13 Scholar
Archibald Stewart Son 10 Scholar
Agnes Stewart Daur 8 Scholar
All children born West Calder,Midlothian

Regards
Mary

Hi Mary,
I have a slight problem finding my GG/Gdad.
According to my G/Gdad's Marriage Cert, he was 19 when he married (25 dec 1860) and was still 19 on the 1861 Census (April) So I accept that on face value, he WAS 19, born first Qtr 1841.

On the M Cert he said his father was John Edmondson.
So I look for a George aged 9 on the 1851 Census. There is one in Manchester, mother, Mary, Widow.

So I look on the 1841 Census, no George with father John. But one with mother Mary, and same siblings as on !851 census, Father THOMAS!!! Georege 4 months!

I sent for a birth Certificate for the only George Edmondson born in Manchester 1839-1842. Mum Mary ( Taylor), Father Thomas!!
Looked for a marriage in IGI of an Edmondson to a Taylor in Manchester. Mary Taylor married Thomas Allison Edmondson. 1838 mancester.
Can I assume George's father was NOT John.
If so, was George's father Thomas.
If so, was he Thomas ALLISON??
When I searched IGI for a Baptism for a Thomas Edmondson, I found a Thomas Allison! His father was Thomas and his Mum was Elizabeth Allison!!.
From here on it is plane sailing back to the !720s.
BUT was Thomas, Thomas Allison?? I can't find a defining link. Can you advise, as this link is improtant to where I go from here.
John

Hi Mary
Got another one for you
Don't know so much about this one
John White c1893,maybe born Hampshire,not sure married to Mary,they are the parents of Sissie(cissie) White who married Charles Smart c1892 Hants - died 1917 in ww1(Son of Lot & Charlotte)
Charles & Sissie married Oct qtr 1914 Hungerford
sorry I haven't got any more info to give,hope this makes sense
best Regards Chris

could you look up on a isabella blair stewart of whit burn scotland ,on 1901 cenus thanks m

Hi Julie
I have high hopes these are your Drummond Filks:

1841 Faifley,Old Kilpatrick,Dunbartonshire
James Drummond 55 Brickmaker b Scotland
Elizabeth Drummomd 55
Catherine Drummond 35 Cotton Reeler
Elizabeth Drummond 20 Cotton Reeler
Thomas Drummond 20 Iron Forgeman
Mum and all children born Dunbartonshire

1851 Drummond's land,Duntocher,Dunbartonshire
James Drummond Head 60 labourer
Catherine Drummond Daur 40 Cotton Yarn Reeler
Elizabeth Drummond Daur 29 Cotton Winder
James Drummond Nephew 11 Scholar
All born Old Kilpatrick

1851 Dambrae,Dunbarton,Dunbartonshire
Thomas Drummond Head 29 Gamekeeper
Christian Drummond Wife 25
Mary Drummond Daur 4
James Drummond Son 2
John Drummond Son 3mths
Margaret Adam SIL 12 Scholar
All born Old Kilpatrick

I do not have access to BMD for Scotland,so cannot do lookups for any of these events.

Would you like me to look for Thomas Drummond family after 1851???

Regards
Mary

Would you mind looking att 1891 and 1871 census then please, Mary.
Thanks
Carol

Thanx Mary
Your'e a little darlin!!
All the Best Regards Chrisx

Hi Carol

1901 98 Rainford Road,Billinge Chapel End,Lancs
Thomas Winstanley Head 46 Stonemason
Elizabeth Winstanley Wife 45
Alice Winstanley Daur 22
Thomas Winstanley Son 20 Stonemason
Ellen Winstanley Daur 18 Dressmaker
Frederick Winstanley Son 8 Scholar
All born Billinge,Lancs

If you would like me to trace them back ,let me know.

Regards
Mary