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That's okay then, lol. Yes, I've been watching you 2 trying to sort that one out.

It's alright, Lew. Sylvia nudged it for me. We've been working on another tale of confusion (the Hockings) but not as bad as this. She knew reading this would bring them back into perspective!

ozi.

You nudging for a reason? pmsl. I'm looking!!! lol

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Kathryn, if you pm me your email address, I'd be happy to send you the page from the Sands Directory for Ernest Monck

Ooo, very interesting. Great photo. Still haven't found them leaving Australia :-( Maybe they were stowaways, pmsl

Just an effete Central Canadian, moi.

When I got home I babbled the latest genealogy babble at No.1, whose eyes glaze over as he patiently (not) waits for me to finish whatever genealogy babble I'm on about so he can get onto the important topic of what his ISP did to cheat people out of bandwidth today ...

I opened with the "cases of ... what?" business, and he said Oh, he was a wholesaler. Yes, that had occurred to me, I said. That's what they used to call them, he said. He worked in wholesale at one time (as did my dad, sadly departed these nearly 5 years), and he knew this. So why had he never said so? You never asked, he said. Yes, that's how attentively he'd been listening the previous dozen times in two years that I'd given him updates on that "case dealer" tale.

If my own co-vivant expires of boredom when I tell the tale of Ernest Augustus Hill Monck ...

Meanwhile, here's a pic of his sister Ada you can admire:

http://www.picturehistory.com/product/id/20108

She's also in a cast list for the Adelphi for the 1870-71 season -- imagine, someone who managed to be doing something at the *right* time for a census! Just googled *"ada hill" actress* when I found her in the 1871, and there she was.

I bought a good digital image of the photo, and I say she's the spitting image of Natalie Cassidy - Sonia on EastEnders, in case you other colonials aren't slavish devotees of Brit soaps.

Ah, you crazy Canadians, eating lemon chicken at this hour! Would be perfect for me though, lol. I'm going to keep hunting for you, Kathryn!

oooops no,


next time zone over



would be good if I could do my math!


sylvia

are you on the East Coast??

Hi Kath


roflol reading your saga!


luv
sylvia


ps, hope you enjoyed your lemon chicken!

It's nearly midnight, so I really am going to go make the lemon chicken and caesar salad.

And watch From Here to Eternity, appropriately ironic title here.

Found at google maps:


Point Piper Ln
Paddington NSW 2021
Australia


but of course the record you found has no danged address.

Yes! More wonderful! But how useful -- business name "Ernest Monck".

Dealing in those Cases, I guess ...

Narrower, remember -- daughter Ada Lennox Monck was born 1894, died 1895, in England.

So between 1891 and late 1894.

The weird thing about this is that there was a Monck family in London having children at the same time with the same danged names -- Sydney, Ernest (born the same year as mine allegedly was!), Albert, Alfred Stanley ... for a while, when I couldn't find my own in 1901 (the Moricks), I thought Ernest and Annie had just absconded to Canada with somebody else's kids!

Wouldn't have been surprised, frankly.

Turned out the other batch was descended from a Cornelius Monck and Mary Woolterton who married in 1843 -- although their descendants, whom that Monck mentor of mine had been in contact with in the course of his one-name study some years ago, didn't know it. I figured out the connection.

He knows all the Moncks in 19th century England, btw, and he had never heard of mine ...

Sands Directories: Sydney and New South Wales, Australia, 1861-1933
about Ernest Monck
Name/Business Name: Ernest Monck
Year: 1889
District: Paddington
Page No: 726
Address: Point Piper Road

Well we know that they left Australia after 1891 when Albert was born and before Ivy's birth in 1897, so that narrows the time span down. I'll keep looking

And I have to go home and make dinner -- so I'll leave it with you to mull, in case you think of anything.

Those mistranscriptions ... I found them at findmypast (that's what I meant, not familyhistoryonline) immigrating to Canada as (with my notes re their names)

MONEK (Annie) 44 F 1909
MONEK A D (Albert Dennis) 18 M 1909
MONEK E (Ernest) 51 M 1909
MONEK E 7 (Edmund, my grandfather) M 1909
MONEK I K (Ivy Kate) 12 F 1909
MONEK R E (Ross Ernest) 25 M 1909
MONEK S (Stanley) 10 M 1909
Liverpool Canada Quebec

Sydney came later, or got misspelled rather than mistranscribed -- the later one, I think, per different immigration date in the 1911 Cdn census:

MONK S 24 M 1910 Liverpool Canada Saint John Nb
MONK Sidney M 1909 Liverpool Canada Quebec

None of which is remotely relevant to my questions, except to say:

Monk
Monak
Monek
Morek
Morck
Morch
Mouck
Mouch
Manck
Manch
Morick

-- all of which are known mistranscriptions of Monck in Ancestry's database, so they're all possibilities!

Thanks so much, and have a good evening. ;)

Nope, can't find anything else at present

Another bit of theory ...

Ada Hill / Isa Ada Monck was a domestic servant in a manse in Canterbury in 1891 (while the Monck parents were still in Australia).

The family was Gadney, and some of the children were born in India in the 1870s and 1880s.

I wonder whether *they* were in Australia, and Isa returned to England with them as a mother's helper, before Ernest and Annie returned.

Hmm.

14034/1860
GADNEY JOHN A
JOHN A
ELIZABETH
WOLLONGONG

No more records of Gadneys. Could be a sibling of the head of the household where Isa was working in 1891, Alfred born 1851 in England ...