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Narrower, remember -- daughter Ada Lennox Monck was born 1894, died 1895, in England.

So between 1891 and late 1894.

The weird thing about this is that there was a Monck family in London having children at the same time with the same danged names -- Sydney, Ernest (born the same year as mine allegedly was!), Albert, Alfred Stanley ... for a while, when I couldn't find my own in 1901 (the Moricks), I thought Ernest and Annie had just absconded to Canada with somebody else's kids!

Wouldn't have been surprised, frankly.

Turned out the other batch was descended from a Cornelius Monck and Mary Woolterton who married in 1843 -- although their descendants, whom that Monck mentor of mine had been in contact with in the course of his one-name study some years ago, didn't know it. I figured out the connection.

He knows all the Moncks in 19th century England, btw, and he had never heard of mine ...

Yes! More wonderful! But how useful -- business name "Ernest Monck".

Dealing in those Cases, I guess ...

Found at google maps:


Point Piper Ln
Paddington NSW 2021
Australia


but of course the record you found has no danged address.

It's nearly midnight, so I really am going to go make the lemon chicken and caesar salad.

And watch From Here to Eternity, appropriately ironic title here.

Hi Kath


roflol reading your saga!


luv
sylvia


ps, hope you enjoyed your lemon chicken!

are you on the East Coast??

oooops no,


next time zone over



would be good if I could do my math!


sylvia

Ah, you crazy Canadians, eating lemon chicken at this hour! Would be perfect for me though, lol. I'm going to keep hunting for you, Kathryn!

Just an effete Central Canadian, moi.

When I got home I babbled the latest genealogy babble at No.1, whose eyes glaze over as he patiently (not) waits for me to finish whatever genealogy babble I'm on about so he can get onto the important topic of what his ISP did to cheat people out of bandwidth today ...

I opened with the "cases of ... what?" business, and he said Oh, he was a wholesaler. Yes, that had occurred to me, I said. That's what they used to call them, he said. He worked in wholesale at one time (as did my dad, sadly departed these nearly 5 years), and he knew this. So why had he never said so? You never asked, he said. Yes, that's how attentively he'd been listening the previous dozen times in two years that I'd given him updates on that "case dealer" tale.

If my own co-vivant expires of boredom when I tell the tale of Ernest Augustus Hill Monck ...

Meanwhile, here's a pic of his sister Ada you can admire:

http://www.picturehistory.com/product/id/20108

She's also in a cast list for the Adelphi for the 1870-71 season -- imagine, someone who managed to be doing something at the *right* time for a census! Just googled *"ada hill" actress* when I found her in the 1871, and there she was.

I bought a good digital image of the photo, and I say she's the spitting image of Natalie Cassidy - Sonia on EastEnders, in case you other colonials aren't slavish devotees of Brit soaps.

Ooo, very interesting. Great photo. Still haven't found them leaving Australia :-( Maybe they were stowaways, pmsl

Kathryn, if you pm me your email address, I'd be happy to send you the page from the Sands Directory for Ernest Monck

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You nudging for a reason? pmsl. I'm looking!!! lol

It's alright, Lew. Sylvia nudged it for me. We've been working on another tale of confusion (the Hockings) but not as bad as this. She knew reading this would bring them back into perspective!

ozi.

That's okay then, lol. Yes, I've been watching you 2 trying to sort that one out.

& much luck we had!!

Hope you find your outgoing Moncks/Hills.

Ozi.

Lew has managed to make old Ernest even more annoying than he already was ... he seems to have decided to call all his daughters Isa, no matter what they were registered as, and I have no idea where that name even came from! He had a sister who died in childhood whose name is difficult to read everywhere it appears, but seems to be Ida Jane, not Isa.

Hell, maybe his real mother was Isa. You know, the one who had a liaison with the blacksheep brother etc. ... and then left her kids to be registered and reared by a Devon/Cornwall family ...

For Suzi-Wong and the general fascinated reading public. ;)


Surname McCock.

It's actually a made-up name -- the person in question was Charles Henry Coke, born Neath 1856, whose ancestor (I think it was last his gr-grfather) was a Cock in Scotland before migrating to Wales where the family became rich and prominent (father was Portreeve, uncle controlled the copper trade).

He married Ada Lennox Monck, born/baptized Ada Lennox Monck Hill, Linkinhorne 1854, sister of good old Ernest here. In 1881 they were gentleman farming in the 50-acre pile in Cheshire with the 8 domestic servants and the 2 of their 3 kids then born (in Berkshire and Cheshire). Ada disappeared after the 1882 birth of the third, probaby consumed by the consumption that seems to have done most of the family in, although I've never found a death record under any of the multiple possible names.

In 1891 Charles showed up (after months of me searching for him) as Charles MacCock in Somerset, minus wife Ada, with a newer younger model wife, Clare reported born 1865 in Canada, his 3 kids from the first marriage falsely reported to have been born in Canada, and surname MacCock. No marriage ever found, in England or Canada. (Who knows, maybe he, with or without Ada, went to Canada for a few years ... in the 1880s ... but she doesn't seem to have died in Ontario, at least.)

The three kids subsequently appeared (one death in 1896, one 1901 census, one in the Imperial Yeomanry/Boer War circa 1901) as McCock, the daughter Jessie in the 1901 census claiming to have been born in Scotland.

No trace of the surviving children --

Jessie Frances Ada Monro Coke aka McCock
born 1881 Cheshire
Henry Rossiter John Monro Coke aka Rossiter M. McCock
born 1879 Berkshire

-- has ever been found. Except for the possibility of a Miss McCock who travelled to Portland, Maine, in 1901, en route to Canada, shown as aged 21 (Jessie would have been 20). My gr-grfather Ernest emigrated in 1909. No trace of this Miss McCock in any Ontario BMDs or 1911 Cdn census.

In all likelihood, and with my luck, HRJM Coke/McCock was killed in the Boer War and Jessie died of tuberculosis before reaching the Canadian border ...

Lew -- I figure you'll see this when you check your threads -- I have yet another reason to thank you for all this! The date of the Moncks' emigration is proving to be of particular significance in light of something I just discovered.

I was just demonstrating the mistranscription problem to someone as being the bane of having an unusual name. I figured I'd do an exact search of the births database to see how many Moncks have been transcribed (327), and then check a couple of possible mistranscriptions. Sure enough, there are Moucks. So I tried Mouch. (Neither of these is a name, they're all just Moncks mistranscribed.)

Now let's review first! This is what you found me: my Moncks, Ernest Augustus Monck with wife and two children, travelled to Australia:

Arrived APR 1887

So ............ in the English births index, we have:

Erna Augusta Mouch
1887 Jul-Aug-Sep
London City

followed in the deaths index by:

Erna Augusta Monch
abt 1887
1887 Oct-Nov-Dec
London City

Now how likely is it that someone other than my Ernest Augustus Monck would be naming a kid Erna Augusta Monck? In 1891 there were fewer than 60 Moncks of all ages in the London area (not counting any mistranscribed ones I haven't found, of course).

Welll, somebody must have. Because my Ernest Augustus Monck and his wife were in Australia when Erna Augusta Monck was born in London.

Now there's a certificate that has to be got, just as soon as I make that payment on the Visa! The mystery just deepens ...

pmsl and the story continues ....

Can't wait to hear more!

Lew x