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Hi Trudy,

Sorry I don't think I can give you instructions for emailing a scan.

Our scanner is very old but my son doesn't change it because it is so simple to use that even I can use it (and I haven't a clue about technology). On ours you just put the certificate into the scanner and press a button to email or another to copy. If I press email it just scans the certificate and then a window comes up with an email box with the scan ready to fill in the recipient's name.

I will send you my email address in a personal message and if you find someone to show you how to do it feel free to email it to me at any time in the future.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Kath. x

Hi Kath
Sorry I dissappeared to get tea etc. Yes I have a scanner but never sent one via e-mail before so could you just instruct me please. It's okay, as you probably realized, I'm a bit of a dumb blonde and not used to all this tech stuff.
Your help would be great.
Trudy

Trudy,

I'm back just for a few minutes before doing the tea.

Jut wondered if you had a scanner and could scan the certificate that you can't read and send by email. If you can and would like me to have a look at it and see if I can decifer what you can't read, let me know and I'll send you my email address.

Kath. x

Hi Andy,

Thanks for your input. I have a birth certificate of my grandfather on my mothers side that some of the writing is illegible.plus my eyesight is past its best which doesn't help! LOL.
I didn't realize that names were changed so much either purposely or done by error so I have certainly learned something new today.

I couldn't have done this research like you and Kath. Thank you so much.

Trudy

Hi Kath

How do you good people do it? Find these records so quickly. Thank you for the marriage info.

Tonight I will print off all the info you and Andy have managed to dig up for me and put it all into my family tree.

I have a sister and brothers although only in contact with sister and 1 brother but they will be pleased when I update them. So many of my family I can't find,especially my eldest brother and mother but I am certainly doing well finding out about the ancestors.

Trudy

Looking at the census, I think Francis only married once in 1882 as Kath has found. Frank/Francis is interchangable. Some of the misspelling of names that you see in the census records are probably due to the enumerator writing what he thought he heard people say. I've got one surname in my tree that has a dozen different spellings.


Andy

I don't think they would have changed a first name from Frank to Francis legally. It's just one of those names that is interchangeable (just like a lot of John's get called Jack).

You also have to realise that there are loads of mistakes on the census returns, so it's possible that the fact that his wife is called Ann on the 1891 census and Emma on the 1901 census could just be a mistake.

Since I have now found his marriage to Emma in 1882, I think the name Ann on the 1891 census is just a mistake by the enumerator.

There is never a foolproof way of being 100% certain, you just have to work out from all the other details that you have found the right family.

Kath. x p.s. I have to go now - didn't realise how long I've been on here and have all sorts to do.

This is Francis's marriage to Emma:-

Name: Francis William Lindsay
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 121

On the same page is Emma Atkins.

Kath. x

Kath and Andy
This is getting more intrigueing. Did they used to change their names legally back then? Is there anyway of checking to see if he was married more than once? Oooh, I wonder if he was a bigamist!
This research is getting more exciting. Thank you both so much for all your imput. I would never have been able to work all this out for myself. I spend hours searching through records so I must confess I am hopeless at it.

Trudy

Sorry Trudy - I'm just having a senior moment. I don't know where I got the name Frederick from. Just thought I was looking for a Frederick rather than a Francis.

Frank and Francis were often interchangeable so I think it is the same family because of the children's names, but perhaps Frank/Francis has been married twice - first to Ann and then to Emma.

Kath. x

I've got ancestors who changed from Francis to Frank and back again. I think its the correct family. In 1901 George is a cab driver as well. He is on the same census page as Francis, living a few doors away.

Andy

Kath and Andy

Many thanks! Why do I have to be the one with the confused family? LOL. I wonder if there is this mystery to change of name. Now that would be exciting.

Hi Kath
The name isn't Frank but Francis so is this perhaps a different family?

I found the same Frank Lindsay as Andy in the 1881 census.

I think his occupation is actually Hostler - which is a groo,. In the 1891 census there is groom written in brackets after cab driver so I think it's the right person and there is no sign in 1881 or 1891 of a Frederick W. Lindsay that match the details on the 1901 census.

Perhaps he just fancied a change of name (just to keep you on your toes, lol).

I think that in the 1871 census that Andy found, that the father's name is probably James and not Lames as transcribed - which is why Frank names his first son James.

Kath. x

1871


1871 England Census
about Frank Lindsay
Name: Frank Lindsay
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Lames
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
James Barden 14
Frank Lindsay 9
George Lindsay 3
Jane Lindsay 29
Lames Lindsay 29
Martha Lindsay 2

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4018; Folio: 173; Page: 22; GSU roll: 846318.


Andy

This should be 1881 before he married. Mother Jane is a widow.

1881 England Census
about Frank Lindsay
Name: Frank Lindsay
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 14 Prospect St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Hooker (FHT)

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jackson 27
Eliza J. Lindsay 9
Frank Lindsay 18
George Lindsay 14
Jane Lindsay 40
Martha A. Lindsay 12

I don't know why, but for some reason Frederick and Emma are on the census in 1891 as Frank and Ann !!! It's definitely the same family though because son James and daughter Jessie are with them and Frank (or Frederick) is still a cab driver:-

Name: Frank Lindsay
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 6 Diamond Street

Occupation: Cab driver

Condition as to marriage: married

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Ann Lindsay 28
Frank Lindsay 29
James Lindsay 8
Jessie Lindsay 4

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3217; Folio 150; Page 21; GSU roll: 6098327.

Kath. x

Kath

I have just asked Andy and could I also ask you the favour. Are you able to look back any further than the 1901 census for Francis William Lindsay? Any help is really appreciated on this.

Trudy

Hi Andy

I have the census records on Robert Lockett. Is there any chance you are able to go back any further than 1901 census for Francis William Lindsay?

Trudy

Thanks Kath
Didn't realize Ancestry was playing up. You are a star.

Trudy