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Im trying to find information on a Joan Hatcher or Holderness born i think Buckinghamshire abt 1918?
Her mother was Alice Maude Hatcher formly Holderness nee Hammond and married Percy Edward Holderness 1912 and then married Leonard John Hatcher 1943.
Joan died when she was seventeen in an institution.
Any information i would apperciate
Samantha

If Joan was born abt 1918, and her mum married Leonard in 1943 what makes you think Joan is a Hatcher

They had all their children before marriage only found this out the other weekend my nan told me.
Samantha

Heres a birth for Holderness /Hammond

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Holderness Kathleen E Hammond Staines 3a 31


Have you found a death for Percy


Couldn't see Joan under any of them surnames

I tried freebmd for births between 1914 and 1921 for Joan Holderness, Hammond, or Hatcher

Nothing for any births in Buckinghamshire.

Several with those names when I removed the birth county, but only this one had a mmn approaching her mother's name


Births Mar 1921 (56%)

Hammond Joan W Hammond Solihull 6d 1536


She had to have been registered.

Her mother's maiden name ahd to be on the registration (it's after 1911 which is the ealriest the registrations show this, although mmn are on the actual certificate)


Could she have been registered under another name

Could her mother have used a false name?


sylvia

I have Kathleen she was my great auntie Betty went to her funeral in july. Percy died in the war killed in action have that somewhere aswell.
Samantha

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Alice M Hammond
Name: Alice M Hammond
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Holderness
District: Staines
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 21 (click to see others on page)

Hi Claire
Thanks for the info but i already have this its her daughter that im trying to trace Joan
Samantha

Commonwealth Graves Site
P E Holderness Service No R/6648 died 30/07/1915

Sylvia
I dont think names were changed they have not been on any other areas that ive needed to look, we just wanted to see if we could trace her after the funeral it sort of got left to me to track her info, everyone in the family knows of her but no-one has ever got any where
Samantha

Thanks Claire
Now am i looking for a Joan Holderness born 1915/16
or Joan Hatcher born 1918ish well and truely confused now
Samantha

Lionel J Hatcher MMN Hammond
Q3 1919 Staines
vol 3a page 22

Is this one of yours?

Yes he was a brother

Leonard J S Q4 1922 Uxbridge
MMN Hammond

Another brother?

Were these older or younger than Joan?

All younger,
Kathleen Holderness was the Eldest from 1st marriage then Joan then the other seven.
Samantha

I have checked the ful bmd for Holderness from 1918-1919 & Hatcher from 1918-1922 but there is nothing for Joan

The only one I could find was Joan Hammond mmn Hammond, and in a different place!



sylvia

I'll just have to keep hunting and see what other information i can get from my nan.
Thanks for all your help.
Samantha

Hi Sylvia
is this the one that you found early, i just dont know what the family would be doing there.
Samantha

Samantha

There is this birth.

Lionel J Hatcher Registered STAINES September Quarter 1919.
Mother Maiden Name HAMMOND.
REF: 3a 22

If Alice regisered this baby under HATCHER & gave her Maiden Name as Hammond then why not all subsequent children?

I have checked 1918 for all names and not got Joan?

Maybe she comes later?

Janice x