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Thank you Janice.
Kind regards

Nicola :)

so perhaps you may want to get the marriage cert. For John and Emma and see what names etc we can find from that or Mary 's ! i will keep this post in my bookmark if you do get any info and i will KEEP looking(and i thought "smith's" were hard!)
janice

I dont think this family want to be found :)
but thank you so much for what you have found.

Nicola

well why did'nt she make life easy and stay there!!!
in 1881 this couple are there
Name: Charles Rowlson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England


Name: Elizabeth Rowlson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: 60 Coalpit Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married

found what i think is their marriage index and she is
Elizabeth Smith Blackburn so no rel of yours

Yes she was born at coal pit lane nottingham and she was born 17/09/1880

so what year was her birth and was coal pit lane where she was born?

Hi Janice i just spoke to my dad and its not the marriage certificate of mary-ann they have it is her birth certificate.sorry for mix up.
Nicola

Hi another question ,who witnessed Mary's marriage ,were they family members?

could be him he was shoemaker plus if you look at when mary-ann was born he would have been around 30 ish.
I will look into this
Thank you again
Nicola

1881
wonder if i have found John it says he is married but no wife with him.

George HILYARD Head M Male 42 Sheepshead, Leicester, England Boot Maker

Mary HILYARD Wife M Female 43 Nottingham, England Lace Clipper

John HILYARD Son M Male 24 Nottingham, England Boot Maker

George HILYARD Son U Male 18 Nottingham, England Chair Maker
William HILYARD Son U Male 16 Nottingham, England Painter
Henry HILYARD Son Male 14 Nottingham, England Scholar
Edward HILYARD Son Male 12 Nottingham, England Scholar
Albert HILYARD Son Male 6 Nottingham, England Scholar
Herbert HILYARD Son Male 4 Nottingham, England Scholar
Source Information:
Dwelling 39 Millstone Lane
Census Place Nottingham St Mary, Nottingham, England
Family History Library Film 1341802
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3357 / 91
Page Number 38

ok will do thanks. :)

http://www.familysearch.org you might want to have a look at this site ,you can search 1881 census free and see if you can find any of them!!!!! I'm still trying!

Hi Janice, just had a word with my dad and he said john charles hillyard died in Bradford, he also mentioned that when mary-ann's birth was registerd they spelt her name wrong on birth certificate as it was her mum who registered her and she couldnt write, so we have two different spellings hilliard and Hillyard would that make any difference.
Thanks
Nicola

Have tried LOTS of ways to try and find them on a census but no luck.

Thank you Janice once again you have been brilliant, i really am grateful.

Thank you Thank you

Nicola x

could be emma in 1851
Name: Emma Place
Age: 10 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Mansfield, Northamptonshire, England (shoul be nottinghamshire!)


Civil Parish: Mansfield
Name: Hannah Place
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Mansfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Name: Samuel Place
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Mansfield
Name: Thomas Place
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Mansfield



this family in 1861
Name: Emma Place
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Radford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Nottinghamshire


Household Members: Name Age
Ann Place 7
Eliza Place 2
Elizabeth Place 9
Emma Place 11
George Place 26 --cannot see this age very well on image
Hannah Place 34
Joseph Place 34
Sampson Place 52 ---some transcript errors think this is a son so wriong age

so looks like she is the grandaughter in 1871 census

yes he was a shoemaker, and the address was nottingham.

Does it give fathers occupation,is Coalpit lane nottingham or leeds
was this the address on the marriage cert?

Hi, Mary-ann did marry Edward kelly my mum does have the marriage certificate for them thats how i know who her father is, im not sure how they know who mary-ann's mother is, all i know is that mary-ann was born in nottingham, ive just found out that they lived at 60 coalpit lane, and at some point moved to Leeds as that is where my great grandad was from and where my nan was born. hope this helps.
Thank you nicola

COULD BE A COUPLE OF POSSIBLES IN 1871
that i have found birth range 1850-1854
Name: Emma Place
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Peter
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Name: Elizabeth Place
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Peter
Name: Elizabeth Murden
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Widmerpool, Nottinghamshire, England
Name: Thomas Murden
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Peter
OR
Name: Emma E Place
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Name: Caroline Bolton
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wiseton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Household Members: Name Age
Harriett Blatherwick 23
Caroline Bolton 45
John Lansdale 17
Emma Parker 23
Caroline M Place 16
Emma E Place 18
Fanny Walton 17
I have been thinking about your family,do you think the marriage for Mary Ann is right? do you know her married name /if so then i think you might want to start with getting her marriage cert. it might shed some light as to where they could be in 1901 census. I am finding it puzzling that we cannot find them on any census!