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Hi Dionne,

I've been reading your thread with interest.

I noticed there's no entry for a Jean Sloper, other than your own. If the lady you have contacted is your fathers sister, then I would have thought she was adopted and would have married in her adopted surname. Which is why there's no entry for a Jean Sloper.

Hope that makes sense!

I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of the birth someone else has found before Dorothea married as well.

Good luck
Helen x

Hi Brenda.

Just did the search and it worked for me this time.I have sent jean a message so fingers crossed. I noted that her name was Pothecary. Wondering if it was worth doing a search for that name to see if she married and her maiden name was livermore.or do you think it would be best to wait and see if I hear from her
Thankyou
Dionne

Dionne,

At the top of the page is a quick search. type in Herbert Sloper , Click "search " and it will take you to others with him in their tree. The person who has him in their tree is called Jean. A coincidence or perhaps one of your dads siblings?

Brenda

Good afternoon all.
Thankyou for your replies.

Rose..... I have done a search on the trees and cant find any names listed.Would you mind telling me exactly what you typed in.

Selena. On the marriage certificate is does say Bromley. It is a good idea about the local newspaper but I am a little worried about posting a message in it as I dont want to upset anyone.I still really dont have any guarentee that my father did have these two sisters.

As for the childrens homes. My father was sent to Shaftberry Homes.my mother wrote on his behalf twicw and we still havenot had any reply.
my father then went to a home in grenwich and all the records were destroyed in a fire so no luck there.

I was thinking of obtaining the two girls birth certificates but do you think that would really help in solving the mistery?.

I was also going to try and find information on my fathers uncle Henry L Sloper and his Aunty Katherine.Purhaps they both got married and had siblings.You never know my father just might have some cousins out there somewhere and a family apart from his wife and children he can call his own.

I am really greatful and thankful for whatever help and assistance you can give me in making one of my fathers dreams a reality.
MAny thanks
Dionne

Just going back to Wayne's idea about the newspaper ad. The local newspaper is called the Newsshopper, a free paper that is delivered. Let me know if you want the website.

But, I noticed that the younger daughter was born in Willesden which I think is in North London, so it seems the family moved away from South East London.

Selena

Dionne, just thinking aloud here - did you buy the 1930 marriage cert of Livermore to Sloper in Bromley?

Mottingham borders the boroughs of Greenwich and Bromley (also a little bit of it in borough of Lewisham) . Also I noticed Jean 1934 was born Woolwich which comes under Greenwich borough.

I hope someone can find a marriage for you for either Jean or Judith. Fingers Crossed.

Selena

Rose, I took a look at this other person - do you suppose she is one of the sisters?

Brenda

Births Sep 1886
Sloper Herbert James Croydon 2a 294

Brenda

This could be Henry Sloper's marriage:-

Name: Henry Sloper
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 211

On the same page is a Katherine Phillips.

On the 1901 census Mary Phillips is living with the family and she is sister-in-law to Henry Sloper (Katherine's sister).

Kath. x

This is Herbert J. Sloper in 1891 census:-

Name: Herbert J Sloper
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Katherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Merton, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Erith
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Erith
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address: 1 Manor Road

Occupation: Father is a Gardener

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Henry Sloper 36
Henry L Sloper 6
Herbert J Sloper 4
Katherine Sloper 33

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 637; Folio 37; Page 1; GSU roll: 6095747.


Kath. x

Hi I have been following this thread without being able to help.

Now, here is Herbert J Sloper in 1901 census (in Mottingham)

Herbert J Sloper
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Katherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Merton, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Mottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Mottingham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Chislehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 235
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Phillips 50
Henry Sloper 46 domestic gardener
Henry T Sloper 16
>>>Herbert J Sloper 14
Katherine Sloper 42
Katherine Sloper 9

WIll look further

Diane

Dione,

Managed to find a birth for Herbert James Sloper and confirmed his dad was a gardener. He is listed as being born in Merton in 1886. Someone has him in her tree on this site. Might be worth contacting her.

Rose

Dionne,

I've been reading your thread with interest. One thought! Does your Dad know the name/s of the childrens home he was in. Maybe they would have some kind of record/ file on him which might give some insight into why he was placed there. Maybe it would also give info on his possible sisters?? If he doesn't know the name of the home then maybe the local county council could help?

Tina

I was thinking maybe try the electrol roll for those sisters?

Clare

Dionne.

I have had a look for the elder sister on marriage records and while i can find a few Jeans i cannot find one that would match location etc. There is the possibility they were adopted and recieved new names? which would be unfortunate for your father... have you tried putting an ad in the local paper to where they were all born? you never know someone might read it who knew the family!

The fathers listed on the marriage certificate were

Edward William Livermore (deceased)
profession Lance Corporal Royal Army Medical Core
Henry Sloper (deceased)
profession Gardener Domestic

A few weeks ago some of you kind members helped me to find out some information on my father.
He never new his family or father.He only had what little information his mother gave him in later life when he met her before she died. Unfortunately after receiving her marriage certificate to his father we now know that she told many untruths.
Some members found possible sisters for my father but couldnt really take things further untill the marriage certificate was obtained. The sisters names were Jean A Sloper d.o.b 1934 and Judith C Sloper d.o.b 1937.

The details on my fathers parents marriage certificate are as follows.
married 24th Dec 1930 in the district of Bromley,Kent
Father Herbert James Sloper age 44 - Bachelor
Mother Dorothea Maud Livermore age 21 - Spinster
Residence at time of marriage The Grange Lodge,Mottingham Lane,Mottingham.

I have tried to find information on the possible sisters but have only been able to find their births with matching parents names. I would be really greatful if anyone here could possible try and find out anymore information on these sisters.
Many many thanks
Dionne
I am just trying to confirm that my father did indeed have two sisters and to maybe find some sort of record showing that they were all living together at some point.

I have a
Jean A Sloper.mmn Livermore
qtr March 1934 1d 1295

Judith C Sloper mmn Livermore
qtr Sept 1937 3a 586

my father was brought up in Childrens homes and has little knowlage of his family background.He only met his mother a few years before she died and only had her word for his ancestry.


Dionne

Im so sorry. The date of marriage was 1930 and not 1940.
my mistake
Dionne

I dont know the name.. but i was following a pattern between the 1st 2 sisters and then slight gap and then your dad it just made me think possibly another one was born 39/40 but then i see they got married late 1940 dec

Clare

This was my old thred with all the information regarding my father.
Please note that my dads father was not in the military as he was led to beleive.On his marraige certificate it states he was a gardener.
Dionne