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Hi Wayne

Sorry for the confusion.I have only been out of hospital for a few days and am still quite tired.

Dorothea married Sloper in 1930.
Yes I did mean children and not siblings.

Thanks
Dionne

Remind me, when did Dorothea marry Mr Sloper?

A possible marriage certificate for Dorothea to Shipton
Possible siblings of Jean Ann and her husband.


Do you mean children not siblings?

Just re read my posting and saw the mistakes. I meant to say Dorothea knew Herbert was my dads father so gave him the name Sloper (not Herbert)
Jealousy from Joyce his cousin (not sister)
sorry
Dionne

Good Morning all.

Thank you so much for the continued information that you are all gathering for me.

I sat down with my father today and went through the certificates and information I have gained.

After weighing everything up we have come to the conclusion that Herbert was indeed my dad’s father although the fathers name was left blank on the certificate. At around the time of my fathers birth it strongly looked liked Dorothea was having an affair with Shipton.My father came along and Herbert couldn’t be 100% sure that my father was his son. He must have been a decent man because he took his daughter Jean Ann to Newport with him. If he was 100% certain that my father was his son I believe he would have taken him also.

My father remembers Shipton as being a nasty violent man who was always going for my father. He thinks this was because Shipton knew he wasn’t his son and I to have to agree. I think Dorothea knew Herbert was the father and this is why she gave my father the name Herbert.

She continued to have children in her marriage with Herbert and later on in life. All girls were adopted apart from Jean. My father being the only boy was kept. Was Dorothea using him as part of her game? I think so.

My father seems happy now he has some knowledge of his family. He can now recall Constance (Dorothea’s sister) being very kind to him and looking after him from time to time. He thinks this is why there must have been some jealousy from Joyce his sister.

I am now trying to find information on the Grange Lodge attached to Fairy Hall and thank you for the information given.

There are now only two more things needed to try and complete this story.

A possible marriage certificate for Dorothea to Shipton
Possible siblings of Jean Ann and her husband.

Many thanks for your continued help and support
Dionne and her Dad

you know... no matter how clever we think we are there is always someone around to prove it was just a myth!!

well done Tania!!

Jeans marriage was listed as Ann J Sloper
I had taken a note of it as it was the right age group for Jean (girls in the 50s usually married between age 18 and 21) and the same area that Herbert Sloper had gone too, then when I found the death in the same area with the correct names and married name and date of birth It all tied together and I realised it was indeed her marriage entry.

(from Tania)

Thankyou Joy and please thank Tania for me.
It is nice to finally have one loose end tied up.It is also sad to know that my father did indeed have a sister that only died a few years ago.
I would love to know how Tania managed to find this information.I have been searching for ages.lol
Many thanks
Dionne

It looks like Jean Ann Sloper went with her father to Newport
She married a man surname Price
March Qtr 1953 Reg Newport
Vol 8c Page 541
Unfortunately she is also desceased
Jean Anne Price
DOB 19 Dec 1933
Death reg Nov 2004
Newport


(for you from a nice lady called Tania who is no longer a paying member)

Hi Selena.

I think I lost the plot ages ago,lol.

The home was
Children to Shaftesbury Homes and Arethusa. London

Dionne

Sorry Dionne, maybe I'm losing the plot a bit.

Where abouts was the Shaftesbury Home that Dad was in? Just trying to tie some places together.

Hope the lady you spoke to hurries up!
Selena

Hi Selena

It was confirmed that dad didnt go to a childrens home in Greenwich is was infact Shaftesbury Homes. I am still waiting to hear back from them.The lady I spoke to did say she would get back to me in two weeks.It has only been a week so fingers crossed that I hear from her soon.

I would still say that Dorothea was married to Shipton as Shipton is on the marriage certificate to Arther Knight.But then again we cant seem to find any record of a marriage.

WiIl this saga ever end?LOL
Dionne

Thinking aloud again:

Could Jean 1933 have been in Children's home, as your Dad?

Did you said that Dad was in a home in Greenwich? Jean was born in Mottingham, which borders the Greenwich borough. Were you able to get any info from Shaftesbury homes?

Maybe Jean went to the home before your Dad but being 9 years older she might have left before him. Hope that makes sense.

Or, she went with Dad, Herber Sloper.

Patricia could have been the daughter of Mr Shipton, sounds like he was on the scene give or take a couple of years.

Selena

Have checked marriage for Shipton to Sloper/Livermore from 1933 - Dec 1970 but cannot find a marriage.I looked on findmypast.

Brenda

hello Again Wayne.
My father was born in 1942,no fathers name on the birth certificate although Dorothea was married to Sloper.
Between 1946-1947 my father was placed in the childrens home.He has vague memories of Shipton.I have been searching around the 1946/7 years.
Dionne

dionne what time scale would Shipton have been around Dorothea?

Great thinking Selena.

I have spent most of the day looking for a marriage to Shipton but have found nothing.I to thought that perhaps there could have been a brother.

I had a 'gentle' chat with my father last week and the only memories he has of his childhood are Shipton being a violent man and hiding under a table from him. Him and his mother walking the streets w him trying to find lodgeings and then being put into a childrens home at around the age of three.He has no memory what soever of having any other children around him.

Dionne

Thankyou so much for your help Wayne.I think even though we know at least two of the sisters were adopted,I dont think I will be able to go any further as I read that adoption records will only be given to the adopted person.Am I correct in this.
Thankyou so much for your assistance in this and I look forward to reading what you might be able to find out tomorrow.

Brenda. Constance did have a daughter called Joyce. My father met her not long after he first met his mother in the late 70's. Im afraid they didnt really hit it off.Joyce semed very jelous of my father for whatever reason. He only met her a few times. There was never any talk from Joyce of her having sisters.
It also still boothers me that on Jean Anne Sloper(1933) birth certificate it doesnt has her as adopted.Why? I ask myself.
Dionne

ooooh Selena... yes indeed !!

what kind of dates do you think would be relevant for these children?

I agree there is a good chance she had more children !

Have we looked for a livermore / sloper - shipton marriage?

I've still got David & Adam in my mind and wondering if these where Mr Shipton's children and that's why we can't find them under Sloper.

Selena