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Again Ann

Thankyou so very very much.

I have to go now untill early evening but I cant wait to return and get searching on the other half of my fathers family tree.

many many thanks
Dionne

I think I was almost as excited as you are!! I suppose the family info was recorded when he enlisted, so he wouldn't have been married then, and it just never got added on. Haven't looked at the census yet - wanted to hear what you thought first, but now off to look at it!

Oh Ann

You wonderful wonderful lady.Thankyou so very very much. This just has to be him doesnt it. I just cant beleive that you
have found him and details of a family too.I am wondering where he now died as there is no record that I can find in South Africa for him.

So it looks like his daughter Dorothea could have been telling the truth and was born in South Africa after all.Strange no mention of a wife or children.I wonder what happened to Dorotheas mother.

at least I have more to work on now and Ann if you were close by I would come in give you a huge bunch of flowers and a hug to go with it.

Thankyou so very very much.
Dionne
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Ann.. well done, have been keeping track of this thread because it's so interesting.
Can't wait to read Dionne's response to your latest infomation..
Can't believe how very kind and helpful all of you are to researchers.
Best wihes, Jennifer

Yes, Dionne, I have!! Just got back from Kew, and I found what I assume are his Army records.

There was nothing in WW1 service records, so I then looked at those discharged to pension 1900-1913. I didn't take copies, but have made notes on the relevant bits. Name Edward William Livermore, Royal Army Medical Corps. Born Southminster (?? hard to read), Maldon, Essex. Aged 18 when he enlisted in 1900. Trade - Baker. He was promoted to Corporal 1/10/1910, and was discharged 6/5/1912. He was in South Africa from 7/12/1901-29/11/1911. His father was William, address 9 Balkerne (??) Lane, Colchester. Mother Annie, 3 sisters -Edith Annie and Florence. Unfortunately no wife or children mentioned. I think this must be him and hopefully now you can track the family down on the census, and even trace the 3 sisters forwards!

Hi All

Has anyone had any luck looking for Edward William Livermore.I searched last night and today.There are alot of Edwards that come up but I am really not sure as to if I have the right one or not.

Many thanks
Dionne

Hi Brenda Wayne and Ann

I dont think you will find a death for Edward Livermore over here.I think he died abroad.

There is the South Africa connection on Dorotheas death certificate saying born in South Africa.

Also on Dorotheas marriage certificate aged 21 she has her father as Royal Army Medical Corps Deceased.

Wayne I would not have thought that Constance would have lied about her age on her marriage certificate.It shows she was older then her husband.if she was going to lie about her age wouldnt she have wanted to make herself look younger?I know I would have,lol.

Ann. I do hope you are able to find some information at Kew for me.

WIll be back later.Have to prepere the tea.

Many thanks
Dionne

Wayne

I'm going to look at Kew to see if I can find his Army records - hopefully in next couple of days.

would Livermore senior have been in the Great War?

If so it might be worth looking at the absent voters lists for the london districts to see if he's on them?

Oh and Constance might have lied about her age on her marriage cert !!

I have looked for a death for Edward William Livermore, Edwin William Livermore and Edmund from 1909 - 1942 but am unable to find him.

Brenda

Birth

Ian D McIntosh mmn Squire
Battersea
2nd qtr 1952
vol 5c page 32

Malcolm D McIntosh mmn Livermore
Wandsworth
4th qtr 1955
vol 5d page 899

Brenda

Thankyou so much Branda.

I have to go out for a while but promise to be back as soon as I can.
I am going to try and foind out some information on Edward Livermore,then purhaps I will be able to find out who my fathers grandmother was.

Thanks again for all of your help.Yo are a star.Catch you soon.
Dionne

Yes, thats correct.

Brenda

Oh Brenda

I am really really confused now.
If Dorothea (child) did marry am I right in thinkiong that she died in 2002 in Hastings? My brain is going into meltdown,lol
Dionne

Either Dorothea was married before marrying McIntosh or she was known by both names ie Dorothea M Livermore and Dorothea M Squire. I have not found a previous marriage for her as I started checking when she was aged 16 in 1944

Brenda

Hi Brenda

Because of two listings does this mean that the child Dorothea coul have been married twice or was it Mcintosh?
Thankyou
Dionne

Death

MCINTOSH, Dorothea Maud born 9 May 1928 died Hastings/r 2002 July District No 4561A
Reg No A76A
Ent No 221
Dor 702

MCINTOSH, Dorothea May born 9 May 1928 died Hastings/r 2002 July District No 4561A
Reg No A76A
Ent No 221
Dor 702

Yours is not a straightforward family!

Death
MCINTOSH, William John born 20 February 1924 died Hastings/r 2004 April District No 4561B
Reg No B87A
Ent No 219
Dor 404

Birth for

William John McIntosh mmn Woodford
W Derby
1st qtr 1924
vol 8b page 970


Brenda

Oh great Brenda. Thankyou.

My mum and I are looking for information on Edward William Livermore.There seem to be quite a few of them and it is working out which one is the right one,lol
Still cant find anything in Army records.

Thanks again
Dionne

There is a marriage for

Dorothea M Livermore ..... McIntosh
Wandsworth
1st qtr 1950
vol 5d page 1649


William J McIntosh...... Dorothea M Squire or Livermore
Wandsworth
1st qtr 1950
vol 5d page 1649

There are entries listed under both - Squire and also Livermore to William J McIntosh

Brenda

OMG OMG!!!!

I have just received some certificates.

Constances marriage certificate and the birth certificate for the child Dorothea Maud Livermore.

Constances marriage certificate.
MARRIED 2nd Jan 1939 to Victor Turner
he was 28 she was 32. Makes her dob 1907(Dorothea always said that she was older then her sister when infact she was Younger
ADDRESS 27 Northview Crescent,Neasden
WITNESSED BY Dorothea Maud Sloper.
FATHERS NAME AND al OCCUPATION.
Lance Corporal Royal Army Medical Corps. EDWARD WILLIAM LIVERMORE.

So it looks like Edward William Livermore was the father.I have come across his name a few times.So at least now I have someting concrete to work on.

BUT THE BIGGEST SURPRISE OF ALL...

The child Dorothea Maud Livermore born
9th may 1928.....The mother was ......
Edith Constance Livermore.

There is nothing on the certificate to say the child was adopted unlike the two children Dorothea had their certificates said adopted.

So both sisters had children and gave them each others names. Interesting!!!

Let the searching begin,lol

Dionne
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