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Thanks Nicola, but it looks as though Wayne has already done it, so thanks to Wayne too!

I suppose it's a possibility that they married 1912 onwards, but then it would be in the normal index, not the regimental one.

Ann i did a regimental search this afternoon.... and found nothing :(

But then they may have had the name Harvey? or they may have just had their mothers name until they came back? is it worth looking for a marriage after he came home?

Ann/Dionne

I have findmypast sub, what would you like me to look for?

N

Don't know if anyone's already mentioned this as a possible marriage? (a bit late, though)

Marriages Mar 1925 (>99%)

Clarke Edith M Livermore W. Ham 4a 123
Livermore Edward A Clarke W. Ham 4a 123

I've had a quick look at the overseas BMDs on familyrelatives without finding anything, but they're very hard to search.

Has anyone got access to findmypast? Perhaps his marriage and births of children might be on the Regimental indexes.

Oh yes Ann.

When Dorothea got married to Herbert Sloper in 1930 she was 21 years old and her father was down as deceased on the marriage certificate.

Dionne

I suppose deaths 1912 onward in England have to be looked at, although wasn't he supposed to be deceased by the time of his daughters marriage? So perhaps not too long a search!

Hello All.

Thankyou so much for all of the information. Now I am trying to digest everything. Have I got this correct as follows?

It looks like Edwin/Edward was 17 when he went into the Amry. He spent ten years in South Africa untill November 1911.He was then discharged in May the following year 1912.

So in 1912 he was not in South Africa. He must have come back to this country with his two daughters.

My questions now are.

Did he have a wife in South Africa or was she a 'common law' wife.Did she come back with him?

Where is his date of death and place?

I have ordered the birth certificate that Brenda so kindly found for me.

Thanks again everyone
Dionne

Here was me thinking I had a straight forward family,lol

I think he probably just lied about his age, and the Livermore birth you found is probably right.

Just as a matter of interest, I found a death in Victoria, Australia, for an Edwin Livermore in 1931.

However, I don't think it's your man, because if it's the same person, he had a son called Clement Ross Livermore who was 21 when he joined up in 1915 (giving his father's name as Edwin William Livermore).

If the 1884 birth is correct, that makes him too old to be your Edwin.

If you want more details of the death, you can find it here.

http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

There's a small charge (AUS$0.99) to view the full record.

UPDATE: just found his marriage in NSW in 1888, so I should think that rules him out.

Funny you should say that Ann............

Births Sep 1882
Harvey Edward William W.Ham 4a 176

Though, 1891 census has Edwin born abt 1885 which fits with the other birth in 1884 for Livermore.Think it most likely this one!

Brenda

Yes, Dionne - I noticed her middle name, but if I were you I'd only specify the father as being William when you order the birth cert. Also, in view of the fact that there is a stepdaughter, surname Harvey, William and wife possibly married Dec q 1883 in Maldon. Free BMD has a marriage with William Livermore and Annie Harvey on the same page. So perhaps Edwin/Edward lied about his age when he enlisted, (QUITE LIKELY) or he was born before their marriage and therefore could have been a Harvey????

I will order the certificate this evening.

As for the mothers name note her middle name Saran Ann. I learnt from
researching my mothers family tree that alot of the woman called themselves by their second names. Even Dorotheas sister was known by Constance yet her full name was Edith Constance.

SO I would say that I am 85% certain that this is the correct family.

Really really must go now and again thankyou all

Dionne
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Hi Brenda and Ann

Couldnt resist popping back in in between making the dinner. I also found the same information as you Brenda?

Edwin or Edward,that is the question!

On Dorotheas marriage certificate she has her father down as Edwin but on her sisters Edith Constance,she has her father down as Edward.

I am sure that they must be the same person.

I will be back later,lol
Dionne

Thanks for your kind words - I was just happy to find it! Seems to have used both names for some reason - 1 on one daughters marriage and 1 on the other! If there's only a birth for an Edwin and not an Edward, I suppose that must be him. If Dionne wanted to order the cert, she could specify that fathers name had to be William - I wouldn't mention mothers name - she seems to have been Sarah and Annie!

You were great Ann finding the info at Kew. What do you think of the names ie Edward or Edwin? There is a birth for Edwin in right area and on 1891 he is listed as Edwin?

Brenda

Thanks for these - I've just found them too, but you beat me to it! Nice to see they were still living at the same address in 1901!!

1901 England Census
about Florence E Livermore
Name: Florence E Livermore
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Southminster, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Colchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary at the Walls
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:9 Balkerne Lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester, First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice M Livermore 11
Annie Livermore 42
Florence E Livermore 14 Drapers Assistant
William Livermore 39 Groom
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1707; Folio: 29; Page: 4.

Marriages Dec 1883
Harvey Annie Maldon 4a 557
LIVERMORE William Maldon 4a 557

Brenda

1891 England Census
about Florence E Livermore
Name: Florence E Livermore
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Willm
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Southminster, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Southminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
Town: Southminster
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:Rose & Crown High St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Maldon
Sub-registration district: Southminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edith Annie Harvey 14 Step daughter
Alice Maud Livermore 1
Edwin W Livermore 6
Florence E Livermore 4
Sarah Ann Livermore 29
Willm Livermore 32 head/ Carrier
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1395; Folio 96; Page 9; GSU roll: 6096505.

On here he is Edwin though so could this be his birth?

Births Jun 1884
Livermore Edwin William Maldon 4a 419

Brenda

he may well of married in SA after all?