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Dionne i didn't suggest Edwin/Edward went to Canada.... i suggested he went back to Africa!

My query is... what if he came home and left his children and their mother in SA? His only purpose for coming home was to be discharged and then he went straight back to SA? Maybe taking up a job within the british 'establishment'. As we know nothing of the chidrens formative years, if Edwin/Edward did die young, and his wife was probably an English daughter abroad, she may well have 'come home'?

Hi Dionne

I found this death which I think could be a previously unknown brother of Dorothea - or her father.

Edwin William Livermore - dob 14 Sep 1911 - Death Q4 1972 Hillingdon.

I've searched 1909 - 1913 for a birth for the above Edwin and.....yep you've guessed....there isn't one! But it could open up another line of living relatives who might know something about the family.

The other alternative is that it is Dorothea's fathers death. I know it doesn't sound possible but believe me I've just had one like it myself: I knew the death I was looking for was in 1961 and I knew the age was 84 - on the death cert his age is recorded as 63! with a note in the margin with the correct age, so it does happen!

Mary

Good evening everyone.

It seems quite a few of you have. been busy on my behalf.I thank you all.

Nicola.... As much as I would love it to be the Edwin that you have found,I dont think it is him.

Edwin was born in 1884 and his parents were William Livermore and Sarah Ann Harvey. You also have Edwin Frank Livermore.We know his name to be Edwin William Livermore.

He had two daughters. On their marriage certificates they have their father down as deceased in 1910 and 1939.

I did get eccited when I read Florance because he had a sister called Florance. But unfortunately that is where the similarities end. But again Nicola thankyou so much for all of your hard work.

Ann... Again a big thankyou for when you go back to Kew.Fingers crossed.


Wayne... Edwin only had the two children.Both girls.
I will go back and re check the deaths for civilians just in case he did go back to canada once he was discharged.

Wendy.. Unfortunately the Kendrick family tree is mine.
I have ordered Edwins birth certificate today to confirm I do have the correct parents which I am sure I do.

Thankyou everyone back to searching again for a few hours.

Dionne
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HI Dionne

There is a personal tree named the 'Kendrick Family' tree on Ancestry with Dorothea M Livermore born 1908 London. You have to contact the owner for more information.

Wendy

Just found following on IGI.

Edwin Livermore married in 1929 and died in 1944. That would make Edwinn 47 when he married Florence:

EDWIN FRANK LIVERMORE Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death: 28 DEC 1944

Burial:

Parents:
Father: GEORGE FRANK LIVERMORE Family
Mother: SARAH SELINA SANGER

Marriages:
Spouse: FLORENCE CHRISTINA LIVERMORE Family
Marriage: 11 MAY 1929 , Ile De Montreal, Quebec

I have just read this thread from beginning to end and it is brilliant the way everyone has heped Dionne.

It is interesting that the the 2 sisters who were adopted and Dionnes father who was in a children's home ALL had the fathers name left blank on their birth registrations. But Jean who it is assumed wasn't adopted had Herbert Sloper as the father.

Wendy

Also again in 1935, looks like the same couple goin to Canada again:

Name: Edwin LIVERMORE
Date of departure: 8 October 1935
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Montreal, Canada
Passenger destination: Montreal, Canada

Age: 53
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Retired
Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 10

The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Flo LIVERMORE Page 3 of 10
Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ASCANIA
147307
F G Bisset
Cunard White Star Limited
Montreal, Canada
5373
8437
120

Could be clutching at further straws but on findmypast there is a 49 year old Edwin Livermore departing UK in 1931 for Canada, which would have his birth abt 1882 - transcript detail:

Name: Edwin LIVERMORE
Date of departure: 28 October 1931
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Montreal, Canada
Passenger destination: Montreal, Canada

Age: 49
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Retired Acct
Passenger recorded on: Page 5 of 11

The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Florence LIVERMORE

Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
DUCHESS OF YORK
161202
R N Stuart
Canadian Pacific
Montreal, Canada
6859
11815
178

we need his mothers name still??

Wayne

No address given, apart from his parents address on the Army record. I thought Kew didn't have pension registers for those discharged due to disability, for 1912, which is what their research guide says, but read in a book today that they do, so next time I go, will check!

someone refresh me....

We are currently looking for the death of Edwin/Edward Livermore.... born we believe in 1882, in service from 1900 til 1912 when pensioned out and then he vanishes? he has 3 siblings?

Ann did it list his address when he left the Army?

No worries we're all kind of in deep here, but it's not our family we can't solve :( so anything small to get an answer is worth it :)

That is a shame, was really excited that we had cracked it then.

Thanks for using your credit to do that.

Nicki

1 1913 LIVERMORE ELLEN CULLEN F 65 COLINTON EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 677/00 0113 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

esp if he didn't go back as military... he probably went back as a civilian... which means his death will only be recorded there...

Wayne

Any joy on look up on Scotlands People for Dionne for death record for:

E Livermore death 1913

Am intrigued, really hope this is what she has been looking for.
Nicki

Mary

Lots of deaths aren't on those indexes.

Wayne, we should have found him in the overseas deaths if he'd gone back to South Africa. I looked at the consular as well as the regimental BMDs.

Wayne

I searched on deaths e livermore think I have narrowed it down to 1913!!

Be good if you could have a look for Dionne.

Nicola i have a few credits left, what were you searching for?