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Hi Brenda.

You must think I am really stupid.I re read what you sent and realised my mistake. I returned to work today and have come home shattered.
Thants my excuse and I an sticking to it,lol.

Thankyou Brenda.
Dionne

No Dionne, I am not saying that. Edith Annie stepdaughter of William Liverrmore was born:

Births 1st qtr 1877
Harvey Edith Annie Maldon 4a 326

but on her marriage she was married as Livermore therefore taking on the name of her stepfather.

Marriages 3rd qtr 1903
Harvey Leonard Cecil Colchester 4a 1308
>>>>>>>Livermore Edith Annie Colchester 4a 1308
>>>>>>>Smith Charles Colchester 4a 1308
Yell Ada Maria Colchester 4a 1308

She then had a daughter :

Births 3rd qtr 1911
Smith Ruth mmn Livermore Maldon 4a 1456

On page 22 I have listed Edith Annie's mothers ancestry that I believe is hers.

It would appear that her mother (wife of William Livermore) was known as Sarah Ann in all the census except for one. Cannot find her birth though in 1859.

Sarah Ann's mothers marriage:(Edith Annie's grandmother)

Marriages 3rd qtr 1840
Bunn Harriet Blofield 13 35
HARVEY James Blofield &c. 13 35

Her mothers remarriage:
Marriages 3rd qtr 1866
COOK John Maldon 4a 321
HARVEY Harriett Maldon 4a 321

Deaths 2nd qtr 1887
Cook Harriet age 66 Maldon 4a 225

There are several deaths in Maldon for James Harvey and wouldn't like to hazard a guess as to which one is the correct one.

Brenda

Hi Brenda

Are you saying that edith Annie was married twice as you have a daughter with the name Smith.

You are also correct on the daughters there were only two.
Alice Maud and Florance Emily.
Edith Annie was the stepdaughter.

Dionne

Ann, are you sure it was 3 sisters = ie Edith, Annie, Florence? His stepsister was called EDITH ANNIE Harvey who I believe was later known as Livermore.

Marriages 3rd qtr 1903
Harvey Leonard Cecil Colchester 4a 1308
>>>>>>>Livermore Edith Annie Colchester 4a 1308
>>>>>>>Smith Charles Colchester 4a 1308
Yell Ada Maria Colchester 4a 1308

Edith Annie's daughter?
Births 3rd qtr 1911
Smith Ruth Livermore Maldon 4a 1456

Besides Edith Annie, there was Florence Emily & Alice Maud

Brenda

Thankyou for the information Selena.They could possibly be the marriages of Edwins sisters.

As for South Africa House.i do have the details and I also downloaded the forms.You have to book an appointment to go and apply for a copy of a birth certificate. My brother was going to go for me but he run out of time.

Although it is only in London we live on the Isle of Wight and is costs a small fortune to get there.But I am hoping my brother is returning to London in a few weeks time.So fingers crossed.

Dionne

Not sure about these, dates are a bit late

Marriages Mar 1912
Handley Charles E Livermore Gravesend 2a 843
Livermore Alice M Handley Gravesend 2a 843

Marriages Mar 1924
Livermore Alice M Tott Edmonton 3a 884
Tott George H Livermoore Edmonton 3a 884

Marriages Mar 1925

Bloomfield Joseph E Livermore Colchester 4a 1031
Livermore Florence E Bloomfield Colchester

Just in case you don't have them?

Births Mar 1890
Livermore Alice Maud Maldon 4a 507

Births Jun 1886
LIVERMORE Florence Emily Maldon 4a 456

Selena

I know what you mean - I've just had to read back to check the 3 sisters names that I found on his Army record! Anyway, they were Edith, Annie and Florence. If I can't find anything else at Kew, then it would be a good idea to trace these 3 forwards

Just thinking aloud here (again) but has anyone traced the marriages of Edwin's sisters? I think they were Florence and Annie? I've sort of lost the plot now.

Selena

Dionne, you have probably already looked at these websites for Dorothea's birth certificate:

http://www.southafricahouse.com/Consulate.htm

WHO MAY APPLY AND UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS CAN AN APPLICATION BE MADE

Any person may apply for a copy of a Birth Certificate provided the particulars have been registered with the South African Government.

The person who is making the application must state clearly the reason for the application.

Says its only 4 pounds but can take about 5 months!

South African High Commission,
Home Affairs, Consular Section,
15 Whitehall, London, SW1A 2DD.

Telephone No:
020 7925 8900
020 7925 8901
020 7925 8910

Might be worth giving them a call


http://home-affairs.pwv.gov.za/documents.asp

just nudging this thread up... don't want to lose track of it..
Jennifer

Hello everyone.

Thankyou so much Ann. I cant wait to see what you might unearth.

Brenda thankyou for the PM I have eplied to you.

Dionne
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Dionne

Yes, more than likely to be the marriage of her brother.

Will get a copy of the service records for you - no problem!

Dionne, the marriage that Brenda found could well be Dorothea's brother, not her father.

Hello

Thankyou Brenda.We are getting Livermores popping up everywhere now,lol.
I will save the Edwin marriage just incase he didnt die after 1930.You never know.

Nicki. Thankyou for your information.I will check out the AMS Museum.

Ann..If you could get me the service record that would be great. Please let me know how much it costs and I will gladly pay for it.

Many many thanks all
Dionne

Dionne

Would you like me to get a copy of Edward's service record?

You could also try the AMS Museum - Just got the following off their website:

The museum has an extensive archive of documents and photographs for all four Corps, which encompasses medical professional papers, personal diaries, campaign accounts, books and manuals. Personal visits to the archive are welcome by prior appointment only.Written enquires should enclose a stamped, self-addressed envelope. Depending upon the amount of work involved, research carried out on your behalf may attract a charge and in the case of extensive photocopying there will be a charge according to the number of pages.
Please contact the museum for further details of research charges.

AMS Museum

Keogh Barracks

Ash Vale

Aldershot

GU12 5RQ

Telephone: 01252 868612


They dont hold personal records, but you never know, maybe Edwin was a hero and is mentioned in their museum.

You could certainly try. If you know his full name and date of birth.

If they have it you will be able to get it. I have been successful in records from the 30's.

Write to:

Army Personnel Centre
65 Brown Street
GLASGOW
G2 8EX

There is quite a back log and it takes months to get the info if they have it and costs about fourty pound. They will certainly give you advice on how best to go about this if you are indeed able to as
you may find that Edwin's record was destroyed in the War when there was a bombing/fire that destroyed loads of the records.

In one of your earlier posts you gave your father's naval number, so my earlier post was to get you to get his file, which you appear to have done in any case.

Nicki

Marriage

Edwin W Livermore.....Leonora I Pittuck
Hendon
4th qtr 1935
vol 3a page 1345

Birth
Pamela J Livermore mmn Pittuck
Colchester
3rd qtr 1936
vol 4a page 1285

Didn't the other Livermore's live in Colchester on one of the census'? 1901 census registration district was Colchester!

possible marriage:

Pamela J Livermore.....Howard R Davis
Ilford
3rd qtr 1958
vol 5a page 996

Death
LIVERMORE, Leonora Isobel born 29 January 1912 died Ploughley 1987 July
Volume No 20
Page No 2364
Reg No 787

Births 1st qtr 1912
Pittuck Leonora I..... mmn Rodgers Windsor 2c 837

Leonoras parents
Marriages 3rd qtr 1904
Pittuck Walter Northampton 3b 135
Rodgers Eleanor Jane Northampton 3b 135

Have pm'd Dionne with an address for Howard Davis.

Brenda

Oh ok Ann Thankyou

Dionne