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Dionne, I'm still watching the thread daily.
If you feel I can help in any way (searches etc) please feel free to ask.
Hope you are feeling better.
Diane's story about her friend is an inspiration.
Kind regards, Jennifer

Hi Bob

Thankyou so much for that information. I will get onto it in the next few days.
my mother says what a great book this would make.better then a Catherine Cookson novel.lol. Would you care to write it for me?
Thanks Bob
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Hi Dionne, I also have been following this thread, what an interestng book this could make,., However you mention a George H TOTT, and EDMONTON,
have you looked at the TOTT s in FBMD there are quite a few of them, in the Tottenham, Edmonton & Enfield area as well as some in Clacton on Sea, also on the search trees on this site GR, it would be worth contacting some of them in my humble veiw.
Keep up the good work & Good luck. BOB,.,

Hi Diane

What a lovly story on your friend.I do agree with your advice and I will be speaking with my dad soon.

A small update for you.

Today I received an email from a lady on the Sloper side of the family tree. Herbert Sloper (my dads father) had a brother called Henry.Henry had a son(my dads cousin) who had a daughter.Her daughter got hold of me to say her mother was away on holiday but it looks like yes I am correct and my father and her mother share the same great grandparents.
She will give her the information on her return from holiday and get her to contact me.

I am keeping my fingers crossed in the hope that she will be able to give me some more information on my dads fathers side of the family.So watch this space.

I am still no closer to finding out anymore information on Edwins sisters apart from who they married. I think I am going to have to close the book on Edwin now.
I received Edwins Army records today that Ann so kindly sent me.I spent a good hour on the phone to her this evening.What a lovly lady.Thanks again Ann.

Dionne
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Dionne, I know I have come to this very late in the day, but I wondered if you showed your father a map with the Clacton area on it he might pick out any other places that rang bells from childhood.

I know all people seem old when you are a child, but has he got any idea what sort of generation the lady was with the parrot?

I am sure you will be right that they will turn out to be a relation.

I was helping a friend (aged 70) trace her grandfather's family, he was adopted from birth, and knew nothing of his birth mother, only learning her name from acquiring his birth cert when he was 63. He remembered being taken to visit a grocers shop in Putney when he was small and had the feeling it was a family member or something he was taken to visit. In the past 3/4 weeks we have traced both his adoptive family and his birth mother, and we found the birth mother lived and worked in a grocers shop in Putney!! So no doubt he was taken to see her, albeit that he wasn't told what the connection was.

Good luck with the rest of your searching.

Diane

Hi Wayne.

Im feeling very sorry for myself as I have terrible flu.

There are no updates Im afraid.I am in touch with two nice ladies who are helping me search for the two adopted sisters. But it is a very long shot.

Im also trying to find further information on the marriages of Edwins sisters as I have a gut feeling that my father might have stayed with one of them when he was a child. But no luck yet.

Thanks for asking and hope you are well.

Dionne
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Just nudging this one as it appears to be drifting with the tide!!

Hey Dionne, hope you are well ! Do we have another installment today? Not to sure what i'm going to do without having this thread to read when i get home!!

Wayne x

Dear Nicki

Thankyou so much for your kind words.They mean a lot and you are absolutely right in all that you say.

At the end of the day my father got the family that he always wanted.What did Dorothea get?!

Many thanks
Dionne
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Dionne

Sorry to hear that your mother fell and hurt herself on Friday - hope she recovers quickly.

Also read your update posting about your father yesterday. It is clearly a very emotional journey you are all going through. Sometimes it is good to live for today and to shut out the past. We cannot change the past but we do have a say in our present and our future.

The way your father has dealt with his awful childhood should be respected - he has come out of it with such dignity and gone on to have a close and loving family himself.

Dorothea was clearly jealous of your relationship with your father - perhaps she regretted not having the same relationship with her son. She will have died with that regret - and you should take comfort from that - she does not seem to deserve our respect or forgiveness. I know there are many sides to a story and who are we to judge, however ......!!

Be proud of who you are and where you came from.

Nicki

Hello Selena.

The only memory my father has at the moment are the two really nice ladies and the parrot. I think I mentioned in a previous posting that there are only two photos of my father taken in his childhood.One of them is him sat on a donkey.Would you beleive that today he told me that photo was taken at Clacton on Sea.

I am hoping that maybe in time more memories will come back to him.he got a little upset today saying why couldnt he remember things from his childhood.i tried to explain that sometines you tend to block the bad things out and only remeber the good and 'look dad you are remember because you remember happy times at Clacton.

I also appear very up beat when I talk to my father about his past but in side I am very sad.My dad really didnt have a childhood and I cant beleive that my grandmother did some of the things that she did.If she were alive today I would want answers, I can remember when I had not long met her that she would moan at my mum because she didnt like the close relationship I had with my father.

Im sorry friends I am just having a moan here and I understand that the records office thread is not for this sort of thing.I can only say that I am sorry.

To go back to the sisters.I have gone through the notes and these are the marriages

Livermore Alice M Handley Gravesend 2a 843 march 1912 - Charles E Handley

2nd marriage of Alice

Alice M Livermore M Tott Edmonton 3a 884 March 1924 - George H Tott

Livermore Florance E Bloomfield Colchester 4a 1031 March 1925

Livermore Edith Annie Smith Colchester 4a 1308 3rd qtr 1903 - Charles Smith.

I have been doing some searching around the Colchester and Clacton on Sea area but have not been sucessful yet.

Dionne
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So the two nice ladies could have been his granddad's sisters; his great aunts?

Could their details be traced through old phone books or electoral? Is there something on ancestry?

Does he remember any children or young adults when he stayed in Clacton with the nice ladies?

Just trying to think of other angles. I can't remember if we traced Edwin's sisters marriages and worked forward.

Selena

From: Clacton-on-Sea,Essex
To: Southminster,Essex
Distance: 48.4 miles


From: Clacton-on-Sea,Essex
To: Maldon,Essex
Distance: 36.2 miles


From: Clacton-on-Sea,Essex
To: Colchester,Essex
Distance: 16.2 miles

Thankyou very much Ann
Dionne
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Don't think you'll never find out - one of the people you've contacted might know what happened to him. I'll send the service records to you on Monday.

Hi Ann

Thankyou again for looking for the information on Edwin.I had a feeling that you wouldnt be able to find anymore then you had.My husband didnt think he would have got a pension but then again you were talking of over seventy years ago and things have changed so much.

I will be honest and say I do feel a little sad knowing that I will never find out what happend to my fathers grandfather and who he married etc. But there you go. I am trying to find the two sisters that were adopted and that is a completely diferent ball game.

If Dorothea were alive today then there would be many questions that I would just love her to answer!!

Dionne
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Thanks for posting that Dionne - interesting!!

I'm afraid we're at the end of the line as far as Edwin/Edward's military records are concerned. He wouldn't have recieved a pension, apparently - no wonder I couldn't find him in pension records!- and there's nowhere else to look.

Same here too

Clare

Thanks for the update Dionne - this is the first thread I look at everyday.

Mary

Update...

I spoke to my father today and showed him the admission record for Bisley School. he used a few choice words about his mother but took the news ok.

On a positive note when I mentioned Clacton on Sea all of a suddern a memory came back to him. Diane mentioned that Clacton on Sea was close to where Edwin Dorotheas father was born.

My father told me that when he thinks of Clacton on Sea he thinks happy thoughts. Now this is the interesting bit. He said he can remember staying with a lady and he thinks her sister. They were lovly people. He remembers that in the hallway of the house lived a parrot. When you walked into the hall the parrot would swear. He remembers the parrot being taken of a merchant ship by one of the sisters and a man in Clacton.

Now my mind is saying to me do you think these ladies could have been Edwins sisters and the man was the husband of one of the sisters and worked on the ship? I know I might be clutching at straws again but it is just a thought.

I have also emailed a few people regarding trying to trace the adoptive sisters as I beleive the law has changed and siblings can try and track each other down.

Thas my update for today
Dionne
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Hi Nicki

I have not been able to speak to my father today. I finished work this afternoon and had planned to go round and see him. But my mother took a nasty fall and he had to take her to the Hospital.She is ok but has fractured her wrist. So with all that excitement I didnt really want to add to it today. I will be telling him on Sunday when we go round for dinner.

Thanks for asking though Nicki.
Dionne
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