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Matthew,


I ahve suggested to the other Matthew that one of you changes your board name so that WE, your helpers, know that we are not delaing with duplicate or triplicate threads put up by the same person.


To do that, go into My Account, and follow instructions.



Sylvia

Could you distinguish yourselves then???



WE can't tell the difference between you when you are both lsited as Matthew, and are both asking about the same people!



Can/Could make us mad, you know!



Sylvia

Thanks to all who have help me tonight I will update you how i get on with my search

sylvia

i didn't my mum's distant cousin matthew lee evans a decendand of catherine evans did the other thread as he his also looking for information too.

Matthew,


why did you put Benjamin up one here ..... you already ahd a thread on him.



You're just having us duplicate effort(s) for you!



Sylvia

Matthew,


If she was not married, there will be no father's name on the birth certificate.


Also, distrust a father's name that is put on the marriage certificate in such cases.

It is quite common to find made-up names, grandfather's name, or some such put in place of the "father's" name on a marriage certificate!

Even an occupation will be made up!


All to do with the "stigma" of being without a father.



Sylvia

Janice

yes it could be her

Millie

Possible that the Evans are related to the Gittins in some way as Welshpool is really some place but unsure.

well done janice i dont know how i missed that one? i normaly look for all posibilities

i would say that was her

wonder if this could be her birth index
Ivy Margery V Maggs
1904
Quarter Dec
District: Chipping Sodbury
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 257

GITTINS Benjamin George Forden.11b 150 4 1906

if you get there cert it will be easier to find them as there inbetween before 1901 we can pick them up on the census and after 1911 we have the mothers mmn so its easy to find a marriage between parents and then pick them up on the census

Your guess is as good as mine to how john born birmingham came to be in welshpool. but he did.
Thought he was born out of wedlock.

Matthew

Birth index
Benjamin George Gittins
1906
Quarter Dec
District: Forden
County: Montgomeryshire, Shropshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 150

Millie

We worked out that her year of birth was 1905 as on her grave stone it says she died 16/10/1954 age 49

Matthew

will look now for you also the question about how did john born in birm and then appear in welshpool


in them days it was a big sin to have children out of wedlock so oftern they were sent away to friends or other family to have the child and then come back

http://www.gro.gov.uk Link for ordering certs. using details posted

Cool will try get hold of his Marriage Certificate then.

Any chance you could help a little with my other Great Grandfather Benjamin George Gittins born 1906 Welshpool as I only know he married Catherine Evans. I have asked my family but they don't know anything about them.

Matthew

how do you know when margery maggs was born?

if she came from ireland or scotland then she will be hard to trace

also was it lizzie or elizabeth?

you have johns birth details his father will only be on there if his mum put him on there bit unlikely, but if john traced his father then he will be on his marriagre cert which you will need for margerys fathers details.

you have the numbers for both of them now.

Possibly no father's name would be on the cert. then ,but it MIGHT give other family names if any were witness to the marriage.