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Hazel has Family in Hamilton Canada.

My Father was born in Hamilton Canada.

Sylvia is living in Canada but is from the UK.

Hazel. I am almost the same age as you lol

So pleased you were able to find your way back to your thread Hazel.

We love doing the research but it's lovely to get a thankyou.

Looks like Sylvia has been busy again...bless her lol

All the best girls

Gerri xx

I have found George Bowman on all censuses from 1851 (when he is married to "Elizabeth" and living with his in-laws) 1861, 1871 and 1881when his wife is "Louisa"

........... I have found a birth reigstration for Louisa Elizabeth Shaw for 1838, which fits the information for her, and which answers the question of her change of name.

The children all fit.


However, the occupation on each cernsus shown does not fit what you say:-


1861 ............. Jet Bracelet Maker

1871 ............. Black Ornament Maker

1881 ............ Tool Maker

1891 ........... Cloth Dealer Second Hand.



Sylvia

Hazel,


Looking at your information again ....................


........ I think you have some very careful work to do to connect up your George Hillman Bowyer with the family that Gerri and I found.

For example:- "We think that he took the name of Bowyer when his mother re-marrried, we do think his mother was named Elizabeth"


The Elizabeth that we found, mother of George, died in 1843, and her husband John remarried to Harriet



Sylvia

Hazel,

Thank you for the thank you!!

I hope Gerri and I did find the correct family


You now need to get some birth and amrriage certificates to prove the information ....... certificates are the only way to be absolutely sure you are following the right people.


Sylvia

Well you both have done me proud.Yes My Grandfather was George Hillman Bowyer. We think that he took the name of Bowyer when his mother re-marrried, we do think his mother was named Elizabeth. George moved from Gloucester to live and work in Birmingham as an apprentice carpenter.He married Louisa Shaw on 12th April,1857 and had 10Children.
Elizabeth christened 8- 4- 1860
John William b 4-6-1862
George Henry b 26-11-1864
Julia Louise b 1-2-1868
Walter b 23-8-1870
Eliza b 22-12-1872
Thomas b 20-8-1875
JOSEPH HILLMAN b. 19-8-1877 " MY FATHER "
John Edgar b 19-3-1880
Alfred,Albert,Ernest b 7.7.1881
It is amazing how my grandfather names HIS children
after his siblings. We know we are on the right tract.
MANY, MANY thanks for ALL YOUR INFORMATION
Gerri, please tell Sylvia that I have family in Hamilton,
Ontario,they are my Niece, 4 great nieces and I, great,great niece & nephew, and 2 great,great,great,
nephews and I am only 59.
You both have made me happy. Thanks once again. Oh My grandfather died in Aston, Birmingham on
12th August 1897 and my mother passed away
12th August 1995 what another coincidence.

Regards to you both for all the effect that you put into this for me.
Hazel nee Bowyer

Gerri,



Thanks,


a great idea!



Sylvia

Sylvia

I have sent a PM to Hazel....

Hazel

RE: your thread on the 'trying to find' board. Titled 'George'

Sylvia and I have been working on it for you but need confirmation we have the correct family.

Please check your thread.

Kind regards

Geraldine.


going...going.....gone!

Gerri,


so have you!!


Have a good night


....... it's not yet 3 pm here!



Got a house guest arriving, some time today!



Sylvia

Only Joseph with parents John and Elizabeth


Records for Bisley and Stroud are earlier


Sylvia

I do hope this is the correct family!!!

Hazel

If it's not, would you like to adopt them? lol

Bedtime for me. I've got a housefull tomorrow for dinner.

Night Sylvia. You have been good fun, Thanks.

i'm just being lucky this afternoon!


Must have been the lack of sleep last night!! Spent most of it in the bathroom. Ugh!



Just going to have a look to see if there is anyhting under Minchinhamton on the IGI Batch Numbers

Found this on Google....

Minchinhampton is situated in the delightful Cotwolds, some 3 miles from the town of Stroud.

Sylvia....YOUR TOO GOOD! lol
I cant keep up with you.

I wish I knew you when i was looking for my flippin Matilda! lol 3 marriages and kids with all 3 hubbys.aagghh! sorted her in the end but it took ages!

Gerri

parent John Hillman and Elizabeth


England

4. JOSEPH HILLMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 FEB 1836 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England
SUBMITTED record


5. JOSEPH HILLMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 FEB 1837 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England
EXTRACTED record


6. WALTER HILLMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 OCT 1840 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England
SUBMITTED Record


7. JULIA HILLMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 MAR 1839 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England
SUBMITTED Record



Sylvia

or this .......


...... although it is a SUBMITTED record


WALTER HILLMAN Pedigree
Male


Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 OCT 1840 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN HILLMAN Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

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Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.



Sylvia

Death
Name: Julia Hillman
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stroud (1837 Onw)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 185

how about this from the Mormon site???


1881 Census

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph HILLMAN Head M Male 43 Bisley, Gloucester, England Engine Fitter At Shop
Susan HILLMAN Wife M Female 36 M Hampton, Gloucester, England Laundress
John HILLMAN Son U Male 18 M Hampton, Gloucester, England Gardener (Dom) Servant
Henry HILLMAN Son Male 16 M Hampton, Gloucester, England ... (Fuller) At Cloth Works
Joseph HILLMAN Son Male 13 Worcester, Worcester, England Stick Turner
Walter HILLMAN Son Male 11 M Hampton, Gloucester, England Scholar
Eliza HILLMAN Daur Female 5 M Hampton, Gloucester, England Scholar
Charles HILLMAN Son Male 8 M Hampton, Gloucester, England Scholar
Tom HILLMAN Son Daur Male 2 M Hampton, Gloucester, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Burley
Census Place Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England
Family History Library Film 1341615
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2549 / 93
Page Number 10

Gotta go,



I'll look back alter and see if Hazel has returned, or if you have managed to find anything else.



Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ..........if George is still alive in 1906, why can't I find him????



Sylvia

hmmmmmmmmmmmm,

a number of Hillman deaths registered in Stroud between 1841 and 1871.

I've picked out ones with the names that we have been working with. Unfortuantely, these registrations don't give the ages or any other ID


Deaths Dec 1846 (>99%)

HILLMAN George Stroud __ 325


Deaths Jun 1852 (>99%)

HILLMAN Julia Stroud 6a 155
Hillman Julia Stroud 6a 185


Deaths Dec 1852 (>99%)

Hillman Walter Stroud 6a 186


Deaths Dec 1856 (>99%)

HILLMAN Harriet Stroud 6a 165
Hillman Harriet Stroud 6a 16[35]


Deaths Jun 1864 (>99%)

Hillman Harriet Stroud 6a 191


Deaths Mar 1867 (>99%)

Hillman Harriet 66 Stroud 6a 213





Don't know that there is any help there!!!


Sylvia

Name: George Hillman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 72
District: Bristol
County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 56