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Linda
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3 Sep 2007 22:14 |
Just did a quick search and found that Norton Lindsey comes under Barlichway, couldn't find a christening for William on IGI though. Maybe someone with access to Warwickshire parish records would be able to help? I'm still struggling with pre-census info!
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Sheena
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3 Sep 2007 16:54 |
Ok I bit the bullet and tried to track William back further.. found him in 1851 and Harriett was still living with him and Eliza then. She must have been a really good sister!
Anyhow, now looking at the 1841, I'm kinda torn! I know nothing of the old time town names, but couldn't find he's named town of birth North Lindsey. What I did find what someone who matched the same age bracket, but was born...
Name: William George Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Alcester Hundred: Barlichway (Alcester Division) County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England
Still in Warwickshire, could it be the same one?
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Linda
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3 Sep 2007 00:26 |
Why are other peoples' families so much more interesting than mine?! Hmmph. I think your record for Eliza's death sounds by far the more likely one. He didn't hang about did he! I'll send you the census records tomorrow as I very cleverly didn't save them. So glad that it all seems to be fitting together.
Linda
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 23:29 |
Cracked it...
Found the death of Eliza.
Deaths Dec 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Eliza Kings N 6c 245
Which would make it possible for him to marry Harriett!
What a puzzle?!?!
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 23:16 |
The other thing was I was unable to find a marriage between Harriett Marshall and anyone named Hall, but I haven't tried IGI for that yet.
Edit***Nothing on IGI
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 23:15 |
I had the same thought as you, maybe he had married Eliza and then married Harriett Hall... but then thinking about it... Harriet has been persistantly there the whole time. He could of been a swinger... lol, sorry.
But if he did marry Harriett Marshall in 1862, and you have Eliza's death in 1865.. would they have got divorced? It don't seem likely if he has all the kid's!
Could she have been ill? Or was William a biggamist?
Thinking caps on!
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 23:08 |
Well i was just gonna go to bed, but I definetly think I got it. I just looked up marriages on BMD fo William George an Harriett... I got 2 back! No Harriett Maria Hall mentioned... but... I got Harriett Swingler andddddd..... Harriet Marshall.
So, did Harriet take over from her sister Eliza then, meaning after she died? Eliza would be he's first wife, and Harriet would be the 2nd?
Interestingly enough, I just searched up Eliza Marshall and found her to have a marriage the same month and year. (ignore this bit, confused again)
Marriages Mar 1848 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CASHMORE Edwin Kings Norton 18 425 COTTERILL Mary Ann Kings Norton 18 425 >>>George William Kings Norton 18 425 GORMAN James Richard Kings Norton 18 425 >>>Marshall Eliza Kings Norton 18 425 SUTTON Ann Kings Norton 18 425 Swingler Harriett Kings Norton 18 425 Tandy Thomas Kings Norton 18 425
Marriages Jun 1862 (97%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrews Samuel Kings N 6c 575 >>>George William Kings N 6c 575 >>>MARSHALL Harriett Kings Norton 6c 575 Perry Katherine Kings N 6c 575
What are you thinking?
Sheena x
(Looks to be another late one)
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Linda
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2 Sep 2007 22:58 |
Marriages Mar 1848 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
George William Kings Norton 18 425 Marshall Eliza Kings Norton 18 425
Harborne is in the Kings Norton reg district. William could have married Eliza in 1848 and her sister Harriett in 1871. Possible death for Eliza:
Deaths Dec 1865 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marshall Eliza Birmingham 6d 99
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Linda
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2 Sep 2007 22:45 |
1851 England Census about William George Name: William George Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Mar Gender: Male Where born: Norton Lindsey, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Harborne Ecclesiastical parish: North Harborne County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Kings Norton Sub-registration district: Harborne ED, institution, or vessel: 2g Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Eliza George 21 Walter M George 10 Mo William George 25 Sarah Horton 12 Harriet Marshall 17
Harriet Marshall is listed as 'sister-in-law', servant.
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Linda
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2 Sep 2007 22:36 |
1861 England Census about William George Name: William George Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Norton, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Harborne Ecclesiastical parish: North Harborne County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Kings Norton Sub-registration district: Harborne ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 158 Household Members: Name Age Eliza George 31 Sarah Louisa George 6 Thomas George 4 Walter Marshall George 10 William George 35 Harriett Marshald 27
Interesting! Harriett Marshall was a 'visitor' occupation, nursemaid and strangely similar to Harriet Maria Hall.
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 22:16 |
I'm not sure, but I think I just found William's marriage to Harriet Maria Hall, but it's dated 25th Dec 1871. Found that on IGI, so I guess I better try and work out some of the other kids.
Thanks again for your help... the quest goes on!
Sheena x
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Linda
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2 Sep 2007 21:28 |
You're welcome! Here's the 1871 - complete with even more spelling mistakes:
Name: William George Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Harrett Gender: Male Where born: Norton Lindsey, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Harborne Ecclesiastical parish: North Harborne Town: Smethwick County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Kings Norton Sub-registration district: Harborne ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 91 Household Members: Name Age Ada M George 2 Albert E George 5 Allice S George 6 Alna M George 1 Auther W George 8 Harrett George 37 Thomas George 15 Walter George 20 William George 48
It'll all seem clearer in the morning, maybe! Hopefully I haven't sent you in the wrong direction - let me know how you get on.
Linda x
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 21:10 |
Sorry to be a pain Lindy, just one last request! Then I'm gonna call it a night after giving myself the biggest head ache of all time.
Can you locate the family on the 1871 cenus? Might be able to get the other children names too, middle, first... whatever they call themselves.
And I'll try and track something from them, not sure how or where just yet... but the plot sure is thickening with the George's!
Thanks for all your help. You've been a star.
Sheena x
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Linda
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2 Sep 2007 21:00 |
No problem at all - I'm confused too! I've had members of my family change names at will, but not in quite such numbers. From freebmd:
Births Jun 1880 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GEORGE Amelia Lilian Birmingham 6d 240
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 20:52 |
Please forgive me Lindy, I wasn't trying to sound contradicting. Just this family has confused the hell outta me, not that it needs much to confuse me these days.
Are you able to find a birth for Lillian/Amelia... it might help if I can get her's and Louis' cert's to know for sure?
Beginning to wonder why I started this now?
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Linda
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2 Sep 2007 20:39 |
It appears as Ambrose T on the info page, but if you look at the image it's an S - there are loads of mistranscriptions as you can see by the few pages I've posted. As I said, it's just a theory, but everything seems to fit.
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 20:36 |
"But the Sidney probably wouldn't be living at home by the time he is 29"
My main query is that Ambrose T maybe the same age as what Sidney would have been, but why not use the name that starts with "T" or why is the "T" not an "S" for Sidney?
What a confusing family!
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Linda
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2 Sep 2007 20:26 |
Just a theory unless it can be proved with the certs, but Louis/Alexander seem to be the same person, interchanging names as Ambrose/Sidney appears to have done. Most of the children on the 1881 census would have been of an age to have left home and possibly married by 1891. Sorry, you've lost me - where does it say Sidney was at home when he was 29?
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 20:21 |
Oh I think I got it...
So you're saying that Alexander would be Louis and that Amelia would be Lillian?
I'm guessing that as Amelia doesn't have an age, which would make her newborn.
But why would Ambrose be Sidney? I know you gave me the birth, But the bit that throws me is the T after Ambrose?
Sorry If I'm confusing you too, I'm completely lost!
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Sheena
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2 Sep 2007 20:12 |
Ok now I am confused!
I recognise the parent's name on 1881 and 1891 census, but not the children. I understand that Louis wouldn't be on the 1881 and possibly not Lillian depending on what time of the year she was born. But the Sidney probably wouldn't be living at home by the time he is 29.
But where did all the other children come from? They weren't shown on the 1891, but there are loads of them on 1881!
Possibly 2 different families?
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