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Just thought i'd nudge this up, incase anyone didnt see their reply, Nicola

Hi Nicola Sorry for not noticing that you weren't Ian!!! I'm sure that this is them,thank you so much.I suspected that they had at least 1 child and this confirms it.Sadly there is a death of a Maria Elizabeth Riches recorded in 4th quarter 1851,so I need to find out whether it was one of mine. Thanks again for your help Regards Peter

Hi Peter, Hope this is the correct family: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Maria RICHES Wife(Head) M 26 F Mariners Wife Yarmouth-Nfk Maria RICHES Daur - 2 F --- Yarmouth-Nfk Address: So Walls, Yarmouth Census Place: Great Yarmouth Yarmouth, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1806 Folio: 239 Page: 17 FHL Film: 0207457 ------------------------------------------------- All the information that you provided for her fits, and it would explain why i couldn't find her husband when i looked him up! Hope this helps, Nicola

Hi Ian Thanks for the kind offer. I would like you to check for William Riches (dob?) and wife Maria Elizabeth ( nee Critten- chr. 1825) in the Gt Yarmouth area.Maria was born in Yarmouth and I think William was too! Hope you can help Regards Peter

I'm back and can carry on with look ups now! :)

Thanks a lot Nichola. I've entered it in my records until I can verify it, but it looks very promising. Have a nice holiday and perhaps will speak to you when you get back. Look after yourself. Lynda

Hi Lynda, This was the only George Robinson in Birmingham of around the right age: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace George ROBINSON Head M 53 M Spur Maker and Plater Birmingham-Warwick Sophia ROBINSON Wife M 55 F --- Birmingham-Warwick Sarah ROBINSON Daur U 19 F Polisher of Jewellery Birmingham-Warwick Charlotte WEAVER Daur M 22 F Japan Polisher Birmingham-Warwick Charlotte WEAVER DauL - 5 F --- Birmingham-Warwick Elizabeth WEAVER DauL - 3 F --- Birmingham-Warwick Address: 12 Court 2 House Kenion St., Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2059 Folio: 84 Page: 21 FHL Film: 0332122 -------------------------------------------------- There wasn't a frederick of the correct age in Birmingham, sorry. Hope this helps, Nicola

Thanks for trying anyway Nicola They are very trying these Robinsons. Anything under george Robinson or Frederick. They are forever been given names and using the second names. The 1841 Richard George is registered with that name, is also Richard on my grandmothers birth and marriage certificate but George on the census's. If I am trying to you I must take after my relatives(Which I do) Lyndaxx

Hi Linda, Sorry, I couldn't find a Richard Robinson that was in birmingham of the right age, and there were no Richard Robinson (jr) with a father called William. Sorry about that, Nicola

Nicola Any chance of looking for any relatioves in Birmingham in 1851. I have a richard George Robinson born around1795 probably in Birmingham. His son William Frederick married to Elizabeth or Betsy in 1840 in Birmingham. They had a son Richard George born 1841 and they were living in Bonacre street then which I think is Aston/nechells area. Am looking for more family for the first Richard and his son William Frederick Would be eternally grateful Lynda

That's great Nicola - many thanks - a speedy reply as well! Much appreciated, Jackie

Hi Jackie, These are the only ones that I could find: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Richard PARFREY Head M 75 M Miller Ashill-Nfk Peneppa PARFREY Wife M 65 F --- Holm Hale-Nfk Sarah Ann PARFREY Daur U 22 F --- Northwold-Nfk Address: North Pool, --- Census Place: Swaffham Swaffham, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1831 Folio: 61 Page: 63 FHL Film: 0207486 -------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace James POLL Head U 31 M Baker Master Downham-Nfk Clarissa POLL Moth W 55 F --- Hilgay-Nfk Richard A. PARFREY Neph U 4 M Schl London-London Address: High Street, Downham Census Place: Hilgay Downham, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1830 Folio: 432 Page: 9 FHL Film: 0207485 -------------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps, Nicola

Hi Nicola, Thank you for this kind offer. I wonder if you could look for any Parfreys in Norfolk for 1851. I don't know if you need to know the actual area - they seem to have been around the Swaffham area. Thank you so much. Jackie

Thank you Nicola. Perhaps they WERE all fibbing on the census! Now how unlikely would that be I wonder! Perhaps I am about to get back a little of the romance in my tree! Thanks Abigail

Hi Abigail, Sorry, but i couldn't find the McLean you wanted in Brixham. Sorry not to be of any help, Nicola

Nicola, Would you be able to look up a James McLean born in Brixham around 1849? I was sure that he wasn't born there (family members say he was born on Mull) but in a later census it says Brixham. His wife was also supposed to have been born in Portsmouth but in the same census it also says Brixham - so I am a little confused and wondered if you would be able to check it for me! Thank you! Abigail

Nicola, you're a gem! There is a distinct possibility that these could be related to my Thomas SPEARS, as most of Thomas's sons went into the brass industry, so it could be that those you've found may be brothers of Thomas. Have to prove it for sure but I'll keep what you found for future reference. cheers, Andy

Andy, i looked up other spears for you in aston, to hopefully give you some leads: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Jane SPEARS Head W 41 F Spoon Polisher Teelke-Lin Henry SPEARS Son U 22 M House Painter Aston-War William SPEARS Son U 16 M Brass Founder Aston-War John SPEARS Son U 9 M Errand Boy Aston-War Samuel SPEARS Son U 6 M Scholar Aston-War Alfred SPEARS Son U 4 M Scholar Aston-War Address: 14 C Francis St, Aston Census Place: Aston Aston, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2061 Folio: 402 Page: 6 FHL Film: 0087318 -------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Hannah SPEARS Head W 30 F At Home Birmingham-War Betsy SPEARS Daur U 22 F Hooky Eye Worker Birmingham-War Charles SPEARS Son U 14 M Brass Founder Birmingham-War William SPEARS Son U 4 M At Home Birmingham-War Izebella SPEARS Daur U 1 F --- Birmingham-War Address: Francis St, Aston Census Place: Aston Aston, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2061 Folio: 400 Page: 2 FHL Film: 0087318 ------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace John SPEARS Head M 31 M Gun Lock Filer Birmingham-War Hannah SPEARS Wife M 30 F --- Darlaston-Stf William SPEARS Son - 6 M --- Birmingham-War Joseph SPEARS Son - 3m M --- Birmingham-War George ANYON --- U 20 M Gun Lock Filer Darlaston-Stf Address: Godwin St, Duddeston Census Place: Aston Warwickshire, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2061 Folio: 218 Page: 61 FHL Film: 0087317 ----------------------------------- Don't know if this will help, but i thought it might! Nicola

Cheers Nicola. That looks like Thomas - pity he isn't living with his parents but never mind - and that definitely seems to be Elizabeth as the parents names match up with what I have. Many thanks, Andy.

Hi Andy, Hope these are the correct ones, Elizabeth is spelt wrongly, but is the only one from the right place and of the right age. Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace George CHARLTON Head M 48 M Unemployed ----Ntt Ester CHARLTON Wife M 48 F Gr Stall ----Ntt Alfred CHARLTON Son U 18 M Pen Ruter ----Ntt Elenor CHARLTON Daur U 14 F Home ----Ntt George CHARLTON Son U 11 M Fitter Birmingham-War Thomas SPEARS Lodg U 20 M Brass Founder Birmingham-War Thomas HARRISON Lodg U 21 M Gun Finisher Birmingham-War Address: Dartmouth St, 766 Census Place: Aston Warwickshire, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2061 Folio: 179 Page: 43 FHL Film: 0087317 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace John BARNES Head M 50 M Glass Blower Warrington-Lan Maria BARNES Wife M 49 F At Home ----Wor Maria BARNES Daur - 20 F Ware House Woman Birmingham-War Elizebeth BARNES Daur - 18 F Lacquerer Birmingham-War Lucy Jane BARNES Daur - 12 F At Home Birmingham-War Emma BARNES Daur - 9 F Scholar Birmingham-War Address: 30 Henry St, Aston Census Place: Aston Aston, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2061 Folio: 427 Page: 14 FHL Film: 0087318 ------------------------------------------------------------ Hope this helps, Nicola