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Michelle no worries - thank you so very much for looking . Much happiness Debi

Deborah So sorry nothing coming up at all - tried BIVRI, Free BMD and Ancestry for Floence and Henry Cheers Michelle

Christine Nothin coming up on BIVRI but found this on Yorkshire BMD site Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1878 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference BRAND Ellen WARD Thomas Sculcoates Register Offices Hull SRO/22/182 Cheers Michelle

Tracy Nothing came up on BIVRI but found this on FREE BMD Marriages Jun 1853 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burgess William St Giles 1b 464 Cook Elizabeth St Giles 1b 464 Hills Sarah Ann St Giles 1b 464 Kittle Frederick S Giles 1b 464 cheers Michelle

Tracy Not much luck these were the only Wilcocks coming up in Yorkshire Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Census? Ann Wilcocks 39 Honingham, Yorkshire, England Sister Islington St Mary London Annie Wilcocks 18 Bishopthorpe, Yorkshire, England Housemaid Bishopthorpe Yorkshire Henry J Wilcocks 28 Hovingham, Yorkshire, England Boarder St George the Martyr London Maria Wilcocks 16 Hull, Yorkshire, England Servant Holy Trinity Yorkshire Mary E Wilcocks 7 York, Yorkshire, England Boarder St Mary Bishopshill Junior Yorkshire Sarah Wilcocks 50 Bishopthorpe, Yorkshire, England Head Bishopthorpe Yorkshire Sarah Wilcocks 17 Bishopthorpe, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bishopthorpe Yorkshire Sorry Michelle

Chris So sorry but nothing coming up for either family on the 1871 - have you got them on the 1891 or 1901? The only birth/christening for Lucy/Louisa Gosden are after 1814. cheers Michelle

Rosemary this is the nearest I could get!1 BENJAMIN FELLOWS 40 Head born Sedgley Staffs Puddler MARY A FELLOWS 41 Wife born Tipton Staffs 18 Ettingshall Road, Sedgely, Staffs Source RG12/2291 Dist Dudley Folio 62 Page 23 There is also another Fellows family on the same page Thomas 47 Head Susannah 45 Wife Thomas 22 Son Sarah 20 Daughter No sign of Sarah Ann Fellows on 1891 ?? She wan't on BIVRI bur found this on Ancestry ? Name: FELLOWS, Sarah Ann Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1876 District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 673 Have saved image for you if you e-mail direct for it Cheers Michelle

hi michelle, have e mailed you, thanks, sue.

Hi michelle, thanks for the last bit of info, can you check the marriage for his first wife as i seem to be getting a whole range of ages for him and its proving difficult to find his birth. William Burgess married Sarah Ann Hills june 1853 St Giles middx. Does it give his age please? Thanks again Tracey

Thanks a lot Michelle, I did have the 1891 data thanks - just can't seem to trace him pre 1881 but with the way the records vary - that's no surprise LOL!! It's giving me even more grey hairs! Thanks for the info on Ellen Brand - it might be her - I'll try and follow this up. cheers Christine :))) PS just noticed you have some marriage records - if you have time please could you check if there is a record of a marriage between Thomas Ward and Ellen Brand in1878 Sculcoates, Hull Many thanks

Christine No Thomas Ward born Leicester on the 1871 but did find him on the 1891 (don't know if you already have it) THOS WARD 33 Head born Leicester Lodging Housekeeper ELLEN WARD 31 Wife born Selby Yorks PATRICK WARD 12 Son born Hull Yorks THOMAS WARD 10 Son born Hull Yorks ELLEN WARD 8 Daughter born Hull Yorks CHARLES WARD 6 Son born Hull Yorks MARY WARD 4 Daughter born Hull Yorks KATHERINE A WARD 2 Daughter born Hull Yorks 15 Beaumont St, Southcoates, Kingston upon Hull, Yorks Source RG12/3923 Dist Sculcoates Folio 18 Page 30 ..................................... 1871 CENSUS ROBERT BRAND 42 Head born Aberdeen Scotland Draper Flower Maker and Hawker JANET BRAND 40 Wife born Doncaster Yorks Draper Flower Maker and Hawker BESSY BRAND 14 Daughter born Kendal Cumberland ELLEN BRAND 10 Daughter born York ELIZA BRAND 8 Daughter born York 16 Little Sahmbles, Holy Trinity Kings Court, Yorks Source RG10/4745 Dist York Folio 12 Page 59 This was the only George Duce on the 1881 - not the right one so I'd guess that he had died. Dwelling: Alderthwaite Census Place: Hoyland Nether, York, England Source: FHL Film 1342113 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4608 Folio 121 Page 40 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George DUCE M 68 M Barnsley, York, England Rel: Head Occ: Farm Labourer Ann DUCE M 64 F Rotherham, York, England Rel: Wife Mark DUCE U 18 M Barnsley, York, England I have sent images to your e-mail Cheers Michelle

Michlee, thanks very much for looking those births are new additions so thanks very much, also the confirmaton of william burgess's father is brilliant, its my first new lead in a long time. Thanks again Tracey

Hi Michelle Could I ask for a look up on a marriage of Florence MEYER(S) between 1901 - 1905 She married a chap called Henry Thomas Rivers, however he was born as Robert Jacobs. She would be aged between 19 - 23. He would be aged 28 - 32. It would have taken place in the east End of London. Thank you Debi

Hi Michelle thanks for the information so far, have e-mailed you direct with birthplaces, did not read this before I sent previous -mail Thanks again Maureen

Hi Michelle, I'm looking for any Wilcocks on the yorkshire 1871, preferably in the Todmorden/ Halifax areas if possible. Thanks for your help. Tracey

Hi Michelle, Thanks for looking-I suspect it is not my man!! Geograghy was never my strong point but I think it will turn out to be too far away. Back to the drawing board!!! Thanks again. Janet

Thanks Michelle Pam

Tracy No sign of these Burgesses at all on the 1891, have tried all combinations!! However I did find these on the BIVRI which might be of interest!! BURGESS, Frederick Charles Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 Sep 1888 Christening Date: 14 Oct 1888 Recorded in: Westminster, London, England Collection: Soho, St Anne Father: William BURGESS Mother: Eleanor Source: FHL Film 1468920 Dates: 1881 – 1925 BURGESS, Wilfred Richard Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 21 Jan 1891 Christening Date: 15 Feb 1891 Recorded in: Westminster, London, England Collection: Soho, St Anne Father: William BURGESS Mother: Eleanor BURGESS, Edwin Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 24 Dec 1894 Christening Date: 10 Feb 1895 Recorded in: Westminster, London, England Collection: Soho, St Anne Father: William BURGESS Mother: Eleanor Source: FHL Film 1468920 Dates: 1881 – 1925 MARRIAGE !!!!!! BURGESS, William Age: 49 Marriage Wife: Eleanor HAWKINS Age: 27 Marriage Date: 13 Oct 1878 Recorded in: Westminster, London, England Collection: Soho, St Anne Husband previously married Husband's Father: Joseph BURGESS Wife's Father: William HAWKINS Source: FHL Film 1468920 Dates: 1876 - 1879 Note: Additional Data in Original Record Cheers Michelle

Michelle, Before you are overwhelmed with requests, can I take up your kind offer and ask if you can locate either of these family groups in the 1871 census. I have taken the data from 1881 census: 1881 Census ============================ Rebecca COOK Head W Female 45 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Confectioner Joseph W. COOK Son U Male 22 Camberwell, Surrey, England Commercial Clerk Zinc Trade Samuel B. COOK Son Male 18 Camberwell, Surrey, England Glazier Walter J. COOK Son Male 12 Camberwell, Surrey, England Scholar William E. COOK Son Male 10 Deptford, Kent, England Scholar Ebenezer COOK Son Male 9 Deptford, Kent, England Scholar Amy COOK Dau Female 7 Camberwell, Surrey, England Scholar Richard G. AGUTTER Head M Male 66 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Painter Louisa AGUTTER Wife M Female 47 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Lydia A. AGUTTER Daur Male 15 Peckham, Surrey, England Scholar Phoebe F. AGUTTER Daur Female 12 Peckham, Surrey, England Scholar Richard AGUTTER Son Male 11 Peckham, Surrey, England Scholar Jane AGUTTER Daur Female 9 Peckham, Surrey, England Scholar In addition, is there any record of a "Lucy/Louisa Gosden" in the BIVR records. I believe she married "Benjamin Burge" in 1814, I'm looking for a DOB/Christening for Lucy/Louisa. Many Thanks in advance, Chris.

hi michelle, many thanks. will check this out ,but looks like it might be the right one.have looked on the map and isnt very far from where the younger one was born, if it is , you have given me another generation, if you find yourself with nothing to do on this glorious sunny bank holiday, could you have a quick look for ann winder, many many thanks, sue.