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Hi Geoff After spending time trying to sort out my John Atkins's I think I might be wrong about the original John Atkins. I'll try and explain this is the information I've got: William Henry Foden b 1920 Greek St Nottingham (my Dad) Mary Atkins born b 1896 Hucknall (my Gran) Married Henry Foden b 1881 in Congleton John Atkins born 1872 Hucknall ( my Gr Grandad) married to Ellen ?born 1870 in Staffs John Atkins born 1850 Staffs (my Gr Gr Grandad) His wife was Mary Hardstaff born Hucknall 1853) That could explain why there is no record of John Atkins born 1850. Sorry to confuse you its only since I sat down with pieces of paper I've worked it out.Too many John's and Mary's. Again so!!!! sorry for the confusion Regards Cheryl

Thanks for looking up John Howley for me. Is it possible to give me all the instances of this surname in Notts in 1851? Don't think there will be very many. Thank You

Geoff In Notts again 1861.Piece 2482,Folio 47 Old Law, Claypole,House 20 John Musson. Head. Marr, 47 yrs Ag Lab b Long Bennington Ann, Wife 45yrs, Elizabeth 15 yrs, Fanny 11yrs John 9yrs Farm Day Boy, Thomas 7yrs, Julia Ann 5yrs, Jane 4yrs, Robert 2yrs. All b Claypole. There are other Musson references at Folio 80/81 Fulbeck but the scans are unreadable. Folio 126, Syerston Village, House 13 Henry Musson, Head, Marr, 45yrs, Ag Lab b Easton Elizabeth, Wife, 47yrs,b Syerston, Sarah E, Dau, UnM, 19yrs, Dress Maker,b Barrowby, William H, Son, UnM, 15yrs, Labourer,b Syerston. If you need to find a Piece No, go t0 ProCat Reader, Search and type in Place, Year and HO to 1851 or Rg afterwards,

Cheryl I am sitting in Hucknall at the moment!!. It is 7 miles from Nottingham and the same from Mansfield and you will not miss it on the map.Junction 27 M1. I am just about to start the checks you asked for but can you tell me all you know about the Atkin connection.

Many thanks for the Mussons Robin! I don't suppose you happen to know the Index number (folio etc) for Claypole in the 1861 census. It doesn't appear to be on the Lincs disks but ... Failing that, do you happen to know if Claypole is on the Notts 1861 and were there any Mussons? Thanks.

Ann There is only one John Howley and he is 22 living and born in Southwell.

Would be really grateful if you could look up JOHN HOWLEY, on the 1851. Possibly living Carlton in Lindrick/Worksop areas, although could be anywhere!! Aged around 40, and born in Ireland. Thank You.

Geoff This one proved interesting! The Place Index does not show Claypole so I checked the PROCAT Reader and found the following villages in Lincs listed on Piece 2138, Notts. Syerston,Barkstone,Hougham,Dry Doddington,Stubton,Caythorpe/Freiston,Fulbeck,Maiden House,Fenton and Claypole.I think all these are in the Parish of Claypole. None of these are on the Place Index I then checked the name Index and no Mussons are listed for that Piece. However a visual check reveals At Claypole Folio 317 House 68 Thomas Streets, Head, Marr, 63yrs, Ag Lab, b Newark Notts William Musson, grandson,13yrs, Farm Day Boy, b Claypole Folio 328 House 140 John Musson, Head, Marr, 37, Ag Lab,b Bonnington Lincs Ann, Wife 30yrs, Joseph, son 11yrs, Farm Boy, Sarah Dau, 9yrs, Mary Dau, 7yrs,Elizabeth Dau,5yrs, Hannah Dau, 3yrs,Fanny Dau, 1yr. All b Claypole NB I have only checked Claypole Village. On checking other surnames I found that none of the Lincs names appear to have been indexed.Another lesson learned.

Gary Woolley Moor 1861 is Derbyshire, Piece 2526 Folios 113/127 Stretton. I have checked the scans and there is no Caudwell. I do not have an index but the handwriting is very good and I have double checked. Teversal 1861 is Notts Piece 2424 Folios 68-76. This is Indexed and there are two references to Caudwell at Folios 71 and 72. Unfortunately these scans are all unreadable. I doubt if the originals are much better. From all the above I think you can take it that they may have been in Teversal 1861.Others are listed in the Mansfield Woodhouse area as well as the north and south of the County

Hi Robin Only just picked up my e mails from yesterday we had a power cut till 8.25 this morning. So sorry I've only just replied. William & Mary Hardstaff have looked on the IGI and there a couple of possibilities. The same for William and Ann Hall. Dare I ask you to look on the 1851 Census to see if they are anywhere to be found. Do you know how far from Nottingham Town Centre Hucknall Tokard is? Is it easy to find on a Map? Any suggestions about why I can't find this illusive John Atkins? Just wished now My Dad had told me a bit more about Nottingham and his family before he died. Still trying to find info about his older sisters and brothers. Thanks again for your help Regards Cheryl

I realise Claypole is in Lincs but I wondered if it was on the Notts census? Seeking any Mussons. Thanks!

Robin you have filled so many holes in my research, unbelivable, william caudwell, born Culland Farm, Crich and James Caudwell, his Brother, born crich , would be culland farm as well, they went to teversall and farmed there and have got loads of off shoots from there, William was my Ggggrand father and raised kin at wolley moor derbyshire after teversall i think, could you check your 1861 census for teversall to see what Caudwell are there then as i think by 1861 they may have been at wolley moor, you will help to prove this for me thanks a million gary.

Rosemary I did not receive your e mail

Gary Notts 1851 Piece 2123. Teversal Folio 215 No 4 Teversal James Caudwell, Head, Marr, 45 yrs Farmer of 165 Acres b Derbys Crich? Jane , wife 56 yrs b Clipston, Notts ??? Son 16yrs b Teversal Thomas Clarke, Visitor, 30 Yrs b Willoughby? Derbys Lucy ???, House Servant , 18 yrs b Teversal Folio 218 , 32 Stanley,Teversal William Caudwell, Head, 51 Yrs Farmer of 147 Acres, b (Cul??and). Derbys.

robin could you please have a look for Caudwell in Teversall, they were later at whiteboro farm/silverhill farm and Norwood Farm coming originaly from Wolley Moor Derbyshire. Thanks

robin thankyou so much,youve really helped hubby a lot. his family never want to help him at all,even though they all still live in newark praps theres a huge skeleton in the cupboard thats just waiting to jump out lol susie

Hi Susuie Notts Piece 2136 Folio 154 Besthorpe House 40 Harry Brompton, Head, Marr,31, Brick Maker b Newark Mary Wife 24 b Hawton Mary Ann Dau 5 B Sheffield Yorks Priscilla Dau 4 b Masbro, Yorks Henry Son 2 b Besthorpe William Son 3 Months dit Masborough is in the Parish of Kimberworth, now part of Rotherham. I have checked there 1841 and there are no Bromptons listed. I cannot find any listed in Notts either bar one in Nottm. I have sent you some other goodies seperately.

robin thats brilliant! yes please if you dont mind ive just had a look on hubbys info and harry and mary are his gt gt grandparents!!! thankyou so much susie

Susie I cannot find Town or Brompton on the Newark Piece. There is a Brompton inthe next Piece at Besthorpe, Harry/Mary +4, Any good?

Cheryl Christening Index Thomas Hardstaff 13.9.1818 to William/Mary, William is a Labourer in Manufacture Sarah Hall 20.3.1825 to William /Ann, William is a shoemaker Both at Hucknall and may be worth a look.