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Hi, I couldn't find Thomas Nicholson Ward, so tried both names separately: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Henry WARD Head M 51 M Ag Lab E Dereham-Norfolk Elizabeth WARD Wife M 49 F --- Shipdham-Norfolk William WARD Son U 24 M Cabinet Maker Journeyn E Dereham-Norfolk Jonathan WARD Son U 22 M Shoemaker Journeyman E Dereham-Norfolk Elizabeth WARD Daur U 16 F Dressmaker Ap E Dereham-Norfolk Thomas WARD Son - 13 M Scholar E Dereham-Norfolk Address: Norwich Road, --- Census Place: East Dereham Mitford, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1825 Folio: 52 Page: 35 FHL Film: 0207479 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This was the only one i could find, but the age is a bit wrong Nicola

Thank you for your kind offer.. I would love to get any details of Thomas Nicholson Ward born c1826 in East Dereham Norfolk Many Thanks Brian Thulborn

Hi Terry, There were 271 Princes in Devon, so here are the ones from Plymouth: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Thos PRINCE Head M 38 M Mariner ...-Ham Tamzin PRINCE Wife M 37 F --- Woodbridge-Suf Victoria PRINCE Daur - 13 F Scholar Devonport-Dev George PRINCE Son - 10 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev John PRINCE Son - 7 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev Thos. PRINCE Son - 5 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev Edward PRINCE Son - 3 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev Albert PRINCE Son - 2 M --- Plymouth-Dev Jane HOSKIN --- - 14 F House Servant Stonehouse-Dev Address: St Andrew St, Plymouth Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew Plymouth, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1879 Folio: 671 Page: 4 FHL Film: 0221028 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Mary PRINCE Head W 55 F Annuitant Plymouth-DEV Euphrasia PRINCE Daur U 29 F --- London White Chapel-MID Herbert PRINCE Son U 27 M Boot Maker Plymouth-DEV Thomas PRINCE Son U 21 M Carpenter Plymouth-DEV Ann D. PRINCE Daur U 17 F --- Plymouth-DEV Address: 18 Richmond St, --- Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew Plymouth, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1879 Folio: 356 Page: 30 FHL Film: 0221027 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Richard UNDERHILL Head W 84 M Retired Grocer Bradwood-DEV Mary GIBBS Niec U 43 F Dressmaker Plymouth-DEV Augustus PRINCE Neph U 23 M --- Plymouth-DEV Sarah SAMBELL Vist - 12 F --- London-MID Address: 13 Hoe St, Plymouth Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew Plymouth, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1879 Folio: 775 Page: 23 FHL Film: 0221028 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace John PULHAM Head M 65 M Green Grocer Woodbridge-Suf Jane PULHAM Wife M 54 F --- Saltash-Con Lucy COLLINS Daur M 26 F Seamans Wife Saltash-Con Charles PULHAM Son - 13 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev Philip PULHAM Son - 11 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev Robert COLLINS GSon - 7 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev Elizabeth COLLINS GDau - 5 F Scholar Plymouth-Dev Emma COLLINS GDau - 2 F --- Plymouth-Dev George NORTHY GSon - 6 M Scholar Plymouth-Dev Thomas HOUSE SonL M 65 M Retired Seaman Newfoundland-Ame Jane HOUSE Daur M 36 F --- Woodbrige-Suf Julia COX Serv - 44 F House Servant Plymouth-Dev Elizabeth KREBLE Lodg - 24 F --- Plymouth-Dev Victoria PRINCE GDau - 13 F Scholar Plymouth-Dev Address: Gloster Lane 6, Plymouth Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew Plymouth, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1879 Folio: 214 Page: 48 FHL Film: 0221027 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Philip GOSETT Head U 20 M Gentleman Plymouth-DEV Catherine F. GOSETT Sis U 22 F --- Plymouth-DEV Elias A. GOSETT Bro U 20 M Medical Student Plymouth-DEV Mary GOSETT Aunt U 69 F --- Plymouth-DEV Susan JEMMETT Cous U 47 F --- Plymouth-DEV Elizabeth PRINCE Serv U 35 F Servant Halstone-CON Address: Mount Lipson, Plymouth Census Place: Plymouth Charles Martyr Plymouth, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1878 Folio: 8 Page: 5 FHL Film: 0221026 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Hope these names helpful, Nicola

Hi Nicola Thank you for your kind offer. I'm interested in the PRINCE family in Plymouth Devon. I know about Ann at 13 John Street (my probable grt-grt-grandma) but I'd very much like to know details of any other Princes there may have been in the area. To simplify, by all means confine it to Plymouth, but if it's just as easy to do the whole of Devon, send them all --- I don't imagine there will be hundreds of them. I look forward to hearing from you. Terry

Hi Nicola Thank you so much thats fantastic I know which one is mine its such a great help its very kind of you to take the trouble to list them all. kindest regards Barbara

Hi Barbara, Found a few: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Thomas HANDS Head M 43 M Dairy Man ----WAR Eliza HANDS Wife M 39 F Keeps A Mangle ----WAR Jane HANDS Daur U 19 F Apprentice To Dress Maker ----WAR John HANDS Son U 14 M Silver Plater ----WAR William HANDS Son - 11 M Scholar ----WAR Selina HANDS Daur - 8 F Scholar ----WAR Thomas HANDS Son - 5 M Scholar ----WAR Address: 37 Epington St, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2051 Folio: 101 Page: 20 FHL Film: 0087306 -------------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace William HANDS Head M 37 M Licensed Victualler Sutton---- Mary Ann HANDS Wife M 35 F --- Handsworth---- William HANDS Son - 11 M --- Birmingham---- George HANDS Son - 8 M --- Birmingham---- Alexander HANDS Son - 4 M --- Birmingham---- Ann M. HANDS Daur - 3m F --- Birmingham---- Elizabeth HILL Serv U 22 F --- Smethwick---- Emaly SLANEY Serv - 14 F --- Birmingham---- Benjamin THAME Serv U 25 M Brewer Birmingham---- George LEE Vist U 18 M Gun Finisher Birmingham---- Address: No 86 Slaney St, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2057 Folio: 224 Page: 49 FHL Film: 0332117 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Joseph HANDS Head M 33 M Brass Founder Birmm-War Sarah HANDS Wife M 31 F --- Birmm-War William HANDS Son - 11 M Brass Founders Lad Birmm-War Joseph HANDS Son - 10 M Errand Boy Birmm-War Thomas HANDS Son - 9 M Errand Boy Birmm-War Sarah HANDS Daur - 7 F Scholar Birmm-War Isabella HANDS Daur - 5 F Scholar Birmm-War Henry HANDS Son - 3 M --- Birmm-War John HANDS Son - 3m M --- Birmm-War Address: Ct 6 11 House Moland St, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2057 Folio: 535 Page: 18 FHL Film: 0332118 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thos. CLARK Head M 38 M Pearl Button Maker Birmm-WAR Sarah CLARK Wife - 35 F --- Birmm-WAR Thos. CLARK Son U 24 M Painter &c Birmm-WAR Sarah CLARK Daur U 21 F --- Birmm-WAR John CLARK Son - 14 M --- Birmm-WAR William HANDS Lodg U 10 M Ostler Birmm-WAR Address: 1 Partons Buildg Stoke St, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2052 Folio: 328 Page: 30 FHL Film: 0087309 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Joseph HANDS Head M 46 M Colour Maker Handbury-WOR Mary HANDS Wife M 45 F --- Bromsgrove-WOR Mary HANDS Daur U 19 F --- Bromsgrove-WOR Elizabeth HANDS Daur U 18 F Dressmaker Bromsgrove-WOR William HANDS Son - 10 M Scholar Birmingham-WAR John KEMP Lodg U 44 M School Master Sutton In Ashfields-NTT Thomas HODGETT Lodg W 71 M Yeoman Bromsgrove-WOR Address: Steward St, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2051 Folio: 361 Page: 25 FHL Film: 0087306 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Thomas HANDS Head M 39 M Carpenter Solihull-War Hannah HANDS Wife M 34 F --- Birmingham-War Sarah HANDS Daur U 13 F Scholar Birmingham-War Edward HANDS Son U 11 M Scholar Birmingham-War William HANDS Son U 9 M Scholar Birmingham-War Thomas HANDS Son U 6 M Scholar Birmingham-War James HANDS Son U 3 M Scholar Birmingham-War Joseph HANDS Son - 1 M --- Birmingham-War Address: 18 Barr St West, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2058 Folio: 78 Page: 6 FHL Film: 0332119 ------------------------------------------------------------------ These wer all the ones, give or take a year, born in birmingham. Hope it helps, Nicola

Hi Nicola could you possibly look up William Hands age about 10years in 1851 born in birmingham Warwickshire. Many thanks Barbara

Hi Karen, Just let me know if you want any other look ups doing for that family, if any other clues/possibilities arise! Nicola

Just noticed that Richard was already married so back to the drawing board!

Thanks for looking Nicola. My Richard was a stonemason jourenyman so your second find may well be him before he went to London and married. Allowing for census mistakes Mary may have been his mother at 20 years older than him. Richard senior may have been journeymaning somewhere else! Thanks again for the help.

Hi Karen, These were the oldest Richards i could find in Plymouth: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Richard COAD Head M 39 M Labourer Newton Ferrers-DEV Elizabeth COAD Wife M 40 F -- Ermington-DEV William COAD Son U 17 M Labourer Yealmpton-DEV John COAD Son - 12 M -- Ermington-DEV Samuel COAD Son - 11 M -- Ermington-DEV Ruth COAD Daur - 8 F -- Ermington-DEV Richard COAD Son - 6 M -- Ermington-DEV Joanna COAD Daur - 2 F -- Ermington-DEV Address: Higher Foreham Cottages, Plymouth Census Place: Plymouth Charles Martyr Plymouth, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1878 Folio: 47 Page: 42 FHL Film: 0221026 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Richard COAD Head M 36 M Stonemason Milton Abbot-Dev Mary COAD Wife M 56 F Green Grocer St. Austle-Con Address: King Street, Plymouth Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew Plymouth, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1879 Folio: 86 Page: 14 FHL Film: 0221027 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Couldn't find any in their 50's Hope this helps, Nicola

Hi Nicola, I would be really happy if you could find Richard Codd/Coad and his wife (unknown) in Plymouth, Devon. They should be in their 50s I think. Many thanks for your time, Karen

Hi Cheryl Ann, This is the only Joseph Rowe in Exeter: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Joseph C. ROWE Head M 67 M Surveyor and Appraiser Exeter-DEV Jane ROWE Wife M 48 F --- Morchard Bishop-DEV Mary A. ROWE Daur U 26 F --- Exeter-DEV Jane CLARKE Serv U 27 F House Servant Crockernwell-DEV Maria BAKER Serv - 15 F House Servant Whitstone-DEV Address: Smythen Street, --- Census Place: Exeter St George Exeter, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1869 Folio: 306 Page: 46 FHL Film: 0221017 So unless his first wife died, and the eldest child had moved out (she would be 31, so could easily be married by this time and so would not be a Rowe anymore)then i don't know if this is the correct one. Nicola

Hi, I have the 1851 census, not the 1841 census, so would the Caters be 63 or 73 in 1851? Just to cut down the search a bit! Nicola

Hi, If you have time, I'm looking for a William Cater, in Norwich, Norfolk, aged 63 in 1841. He is an Excise Officer, born in Lakenham, Norich, Norfolk and is married to Sarah Cater who would also be 63 in 1841. Many thanks, its much appreciated! Alison

Hi Tracey, I also looked up Maria Green, but couldn't find one. The only thing that I can think of is that Maria died and William married Ann? There is a child listed on the household i found for you called Maria, and parents often named their children after them, so perhaps it could be a possibility? Nicola

Hi Nicola I'm not sure if it's them or not because it should be Maria, I wonder if Ann is a middle name, futher investigation needed Thanks for your help Tracey

Hi Tracey, This was the only William could find, other than one that was a child: Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace William GREEN Head M 40 M Farmer Of 300 Acres Empg 16 Labrs Isle Of Ely Downham---- Ann GREEN Wife M 27 F --- Isle Of Ely Upwell---- Maria GREEN Daur - 5 F --- Outwell-Nfk Eliza GREEN Daur - 3 F --- Stow---- Mary A. GREEN Daur - 2 F --- Stow---- Ann GREEN Daur - 1 F --- Stow---- Mary A. EDWARDS Vist - 21 F --- Isle Ely Manea---- Sarah TAYLOR Nurs U ... F --- Saim-Nfk Eliza FOUNTAINE --- U 18 F Servant Fordham-Nfk Thomas FURROW --- U 16 M Servant Terrington-Nfk Address: ---, Downham Census Place: Stow Bardolph Downham, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1830 Folio: 212 Page: 21 FHL Film: 0207485 ------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope this is of some help! Nicola

Hi Nicola Thanks for your offer, could you have a look for Maria and William Green in Stow Bardolph, Norfolk please? Tracey

Hi John, Glad to be of help :) Nicola