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Hi Sheelagh I have had a look at the 1891 census image for Charlrs Wraith and it quite clearly says Bedfordshire for place of birth. I will have a look on 1837 online(have some spare credit ) later and see if I can find him.Got to take the dog out now. Regards Mary

Hello Mary Thank you very much for finding The birth of a Ernest John Smith. I will send for the certificate. Regards Shirley

Hi Shirley in the North East The only birth I could find for an Ernest John Smith between 1894 and 1897 is Ernest John Smith Dec Quarter 1896 Newport Vol 11a Page 216. Newport is in Monmouthshire and there were no births registered for an Ernest John Smith in Monmouth(the town) I hope this is your man.Worth risking £7? Regards Mary

Hello Mary Thanks for looking anyway Ron

thank you for your help

Hi Mary Please can you do an ancestry lookup for a birth Ernest John SMITH Possibly Monmouth. I have him age 22 on his marriage certificate in 1919 (1897) and aged 46 when he died in 1940 (1894) I am having problems getting a birth cert. Thank you Shirley

Hi Mary, Thank you so much for your help. I don't have a name for Ellen's father unfortunately. When she remarried in 1875 the marriage certificate rather unhelpfully just records "deceased" under father's name, although her maiden name is shown as Graham. Interesting to find that she had been living in London with her first husband. No sign of the daughter by 1881; I'll have to look for deaths or maybe she stayed with paternal grandparents. Could you please look for the Goves family and the Graham family in Witney on the 1861 or 1851? Should then be able to find Ellen with her parents - hopefully! No rush at all, whenever you have time - they're my husband's direct ancestors - I'm more interested in them than he is! Thanks again, Linda

Hi Linda 1871 Living at St Mary,Witney George Goves 56 Mop manufacturer b Newbury,Berks Lydia Goves 58 Wife b Henley,Oxon William Goves 23 Son Postman b Henley George Goves 18 Son Engine cleaner b Henley Joseph Goves 17 Son Smith b Henley 1871 Living at 10 Rosina St,Homerton ,Hackney John Chick 25 Labourer b Membury,Devon Ellen Chick 22 Wife b Witney Ellen Mary Chick 1 b Whitchurch,Glamorgan Would you like details of Ellens parents from 1871(if you know her fathers name)? I think it will be quite a while before Oxon 1871 is on Ancestry OFHS will resist as they sell the discs.I had to get the discs as all my folks lived in Oxfordshire at that period so could not progress without the info.Am now stuck waiting for Bucks 1861 to be released on disc. Just ask if you need more lookups Regards Mary

Hello Mary, Thanks for your offer - please could you look up a couple of people on the Oxfordshire 1871 census? Ancestry don't seem to be in a hurry to add it! I'm looking for Joseph GOVES (sometimes recorded as Gove or Gover) aged about 18 or 19, born Witney, his later occupation was a Coach Builder/Smith. His father's name was George Goves (a Mop Manufacturer?). Also Ellen CHICK aged about 21, born Witney, married Witney in 1867 to a John CHICK - but he may be deceased by 1871. Her maiden name was GRAHAM in case she is back home with parents! Ellen and Joseph married in 1875, both giving their residence as Witney and continued to live there - High Street in 1881 and Crofts? in 1891 and 1901. Thank you, Linda

HI MARY THANK YOU BRIAN

Have added Oxon to thread

Just a gentle nudge M

Hello Diane Well I have found both entries on the Ancestry version. One lot are clearly PROVENCE and I got them by looking for that name .The others are clearly ROBINS on the census entry. I have taken copies and if you would send me your snail mail addy(send message to me not through this thread) I will post the prints to you. Regards Mary

Ronald Sorry I cannot trace any record of a birth for Miss Kalthoeber. Mary

Lucia The two entries on 1871 for Samuel Fensome are as follows: Living at 5 Rose Farm Cottages High Farm Rd,Luton William Fensom 39 Labourer b Aley Green,Beds Sarah Fensom 37 Wife Sewer b Caddington Jane Fensom 14 Daur Sewer b Caddington Sarah A Fensom 13 Daur Sewer b Luton Samuel Fensom 11 Son b Luton George Fensom 9 Son b Pepperstock,Herts Edward Fensom 6 Son b Pepperstock,Herts John Fensom 2mths Son b Luton and Living at Lea Road,Luton Edward Fensom 32 Labourer b Pepperstock,Herts Ann Fensom 31 Wife Bonnet Sewer b Luton Samuel Fensom 10 Son Swcholar b Luton George Fensom 10 Son Scholar b Luton Arthur Fensom 2 Son b Luton regards Mary

Hi Mary, Can you look up these in 1871? Samuel Fensom 11 born Luton, Bedfordshire, England Samuel Fensom 10 born Luton, Bedfordshire, England thank you for your help Lucia

Mary, many thanks for taking the time to lookup the Woods for me. I'm sure I shall be in touch again. Sue

Sue Here is the latest instalment of the saga Living in Sevenoaks Weald "on the road from Penshurst Road to the Green" John Wood 54 Ag Labourer b Chiddingstone Elizabeth Wood 50 Wife b Kemsing William Wood 21 Son Ag Labourer b Sevenoaks Weald Henry Wood 19 Son Ag Labourer b " " Alice Wood 12 Daur Scholar b " " Emma Large 9 Relation Scholar b Town Malling,Kent Regards Mary

Hello again Mary Could you please trace the following family on the 1871 Kent census. JOHN WOOD aged 53 b Chiddingtone, Kent, ELIZABETH aged 50 b Kemsing, Kent, WILLIAM aged 23 b Edenbridge or Sevenoaks Weald. Many Thanks for your help as always. Sue

Thanks for your generous offer. Could you please see if you can find any details of the birth of Elizabeth Sarah KALTHOEBER. Should be around 1857 most likely in London/Surrey/Middlesex