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VAL the only record I can find on 1891 is Henry aged 34, head, licensed victualler, with Amelia, aged 35, at 1 Ludely St, Islington No sign of young Alfred. I'll see if I can find them on 1901 Sarah

Hello Sarah, This is just a shot in the dark, on the 1901 census there is LEONARDA EDWARDS age 21, no place of birth given, and just LONDON as to where he is living. I am just wondering if this could be my Lionel Edwards age 20/21 that I have had no luck in finding. Could you give me the address and anyone living with him please. Many thanks. Pat.

PATRICIA The address is 17 Southampton Road, Hampstead, and it looks like the name is Leonard Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Berty Edwards 61 St Pancras Son Hampstead London Guy Edwards 51 St Pancras Son Hampstead London John Edwards 33 Bermondsey Head Hampstead London John Edwards 12 Highgate Son Hampstead London Leonarda Edwards 21 Hampstead Son Hampstead London Marie Edwards 11 Highgate Daughter Hampstead London Mary Edwards 33 Islington Wife Hampstead London Victor Edwards 31 Hampstead Son Hampstead London VAL - still looking - no sign yet, sorry

PATRICIA - don't know if it helps but I did find this record: Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Lionel P Edwards 19 Scarborough Boarder Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Robert Fellowes 18 Blenworth, Hampshire, England Boarder Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Arthur C Filby 23 Romford, Essex, England Son Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Louisa Filby 47 Romford, Essex, England Head Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Emma Jarrett 21 Upnor, Kent, England Boarder Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire the address is 14 Alexandra Road, and there are more Edwards living next door at no'16: Charles F Edwards 23 Buckworth, Huntingdonshire, England Son Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Jane Edwards 17 Buckworth, Huntingdonshire, England Daughter Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire John Edwards 56 Potton, Bedfordshire, England Head Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire John H Edwards 28 Buckworth, Huntingdonshire, England Son Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Muriel M Edwards 13 Buckworth, Huntingdonshire, England Daughter Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Rosa Edwards 53 Potton, Bedfordshire, England Wife Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Wilfred L Edwards 13 Buckworth, Huntingdonshire, England Son Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Edith Long 36 Glastonbury Visitor Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Jack T Long 2 Bombury, India Visitor Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Franklin H Middleton 17 Coorg South, India Visitor Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire Robin C P Middleton 13 Coorg South, India Visitor Bedford St Paul Bedfordshire

Sarah Please look up the following in the 1891 census: Jabez Skeet, b. 1862, in Hollesley, Woodbridge, Suffolk Many thanks Debbie

DEBBIE - wish all my rellies had such unusual names! Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County View Image Skeet, Alice M 26 Alderton, Suffolk Wife Alderton Suffolk Skeet, Cecil W B 1 Alderton, Suffolk Son Alderton Suffolk Skeet, George W 6 Alderton, Suffolk Son Alderton Suffolk Skeet, Jabez 28 Hollesley, Suffolk Head Alderton Suffolk Skeet, Richard N 3 Alderton, Suffolk Son Alderton Suffolk

Woo-hoo! Just what I was after. Thanks Sarah and happy Easter. Debbie

Sarah - The relevant name is COLLINS - Timothy and Mary. Appreciate your humour, and look forward to hearing from you. I hope I have cracked the PC system but I doubt it somehow! Could you check for the following please, particularly on the 1871 census. Timothy age 34 - born St. George, Middx. Coal Whipper Mary age 30 - born Ireland Cork Mary Ann, daughter, age 3, born St. George Patrick, son, age either 0 or 9 by the looks of things, born St. George. They were living then at 7 Hilliards(sp) Ct (St?)., Tower Hamlets. Parish - St. George in the East. They may have moved to the Southerwark, Bermondsey, Rotherhithe, St. Olave, Surrey area of London subsequent to this census. Timothy re-married as a widower in 1878. I would like to narrow the search for Mary's death, and pick up the trail of the children if this possible. Any help you can give will be, as ever, much appreciated. Rita Sarah - The relevant name is COLLINS - Timothy and Mary. Appreciate your humour, and look forward to hearing from you. I hope I have cracked the PC system but I doubt it somehow!

Sarah I hope you don't mind, but I have another 1891 Skeet look-up, please: Edgar Ernest Skeet, b. 1878, Alderton, Suffolk His father was William Skeet (born c. 1828 in Saxmundham) His mother was Mary Skket (born c. 1848 in Alderton) Many thanks Deb

Rita - don't mean to be picky, but could I have a surname to look for?? lol

Sarah, Thanks for going to all that trouble looking for Lionel Edwards, none seem to be the right one. He was born 1880 in Marylebone with just the one christian name, he was one of 6 brothers, and there are still another two that I cannot find in 1901. Thanks again, Pat.

DEBBIE these are the only William and Mary Skeet I could find: Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County View Image Skeet, George Herbert 10 Framlingham, Essex Son Framlingham Suffolk Skeet, Mary Ama 41 Framlingham, Essex Wife Framlingham Suffolk Skeet, Walter John 15 Framlingham, Essex Son Framlingham Suffolk Skeet, William 47 Badingham, Essex Head Framlingham Suffolk Skeet, Alfred Thomas 3 Framlingham, Essex Son Framlingham Suffolk Skeet, Florence Annie 7 Framlingham, Essex Daughter Framlingham Suffolk The only Edgar I can find is 57!

Hi Sarah i don't think those are mine, but thanks for trying! Deb

Hi Sarah, thanks for your help today. I'm sure the image you found will be of help. Cheers and thanks again, Andy

Sarah, Can you do Marriages? I'm at a brick wall Cheers Maisie

Added By Rita Todd on 27/03/2005 16:46:28 | Update Message | Delete Message Sarah - The relevant name is COLLINS - Timothy and Mary. Appreciate your humour, and look forward to hearing from you. I hope I have cracked the PC system but I doubt it somehow! Could you check for the following please, particularly on the 1871 census. Timothy age 34 - born St. George, Middx. Coal Whipper Mary age 30 - born Ireland Cork Mary Ann, daughter, age 3, born St. George Patrick, son, age either 0 or 9 by the looks of things, born St. George. They were living then at 7 Hilliards(sp) Ct (St?)., Tower Hamlets. Parish - St. George in the East. They may have moved to the Southerwark, Bermondsey, Rotherhithe, St. Olave, Surrey area of London subsequent to this census. Timothy re-married as a widower in 1878. I would like to narrow the search for Mary's death, and pick up the trail of the children if this possible. Any help you can give will be, as ever, much appreciated. Rita Sarah - The relevant name is COLLINS - Timothy and Mary. Appreciate your humour, and look forward to hearing from you. I hope I have cracked the PC system but I doubt it somehow!

MAISIE - the only marriage info is whats on freeMD except for Pallots which covers the majority of London parishes - if you give me the details I can have a look, see what I can find. RITA - nothing, nada, zilch - have tried variations of the names, even looked at all 'timothy's of the right age...do you have anything else that might track them down? Siblings for Timothy or Mary? Mary's maiden name? You never know what ends up on some censuses! The nearest I got to Mary, witha daughter Mary Ann was: Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Dennis Collins 40 Cork, Ireland Head Wapping London Dennis Collins 7 Wapping, Middlesex, England Son Wapping London Edward Collins 7 Wapping, Middlesex, England Son Wapping London Eliza Collins 11 Wapping, Middlesex, England Daughter Wapping London Jeremiah Collins 1 Wapping, Middlesex, England Son Wapping London Mary Collins 35 Cork, Ireland Wife Wapping London Mary Ann Collins 3 Wapping, Middlesex, England Daughter Wapping London Michael Collins 9 Wapping, Middlesex, England Son Wapping London but none of the rest of the info seems to tie in at all. Sorry.

Sarah - It never occurred to me that maiden names might be used in the censuses. A dete tive I will never be!. I have Timothy and Mary Collins wedding cert. Batchelor and Spinster respectively. She was a Mary Lynch and her father was a George Lynch, Coal Whipper. The marriage was 18th April 1850 in the District of Stepney Union, Middx. Would any o this help. Somehow I don't feel it in my water that these are 'mine' but they are the only ones with a common name to Timothy's father i.e. Patrick Collins, Timothy's father. on the marriage lines. Hear hearing from you. Rita

RITA can we check the dates/ages again - it doesn't quite add up: in 1871 you have Mary aged 30 Timothy aged 34 Mary Ann aged 3 you say you have a marriage cert dated 1850, but that would put Mary & Timothy at 10 and 14yrs respectively, so I don't think that can be the right marriage. I did find this marriage: COLLINS, Timothy 1866 September Marriages St George in the East London Surrey but it isn't fully transcribed onto ancestry, so I can't see who the bride was. That would need to be checked on 1837.com but I'm afraid I have no credits on there at the mo. That date seems more likely with the ages you have given. Could you confirm the actual dates of birth you have (or as close as you have them) and I'll see if there is anything on 1851 for either (although that isn't fully transcribed so a bit hit and miss on ancestry) In the meantime here are some I found by looking for all Timothy's, Patrick's and Mary's in London - don't think any of them are right though :o( Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Jermiah Joseph Collins 1 Bermondsey, England Son St John London Mary Ann Collins 26 Bermondsey, England Wife St John London Timothy Collins 27 Ireland Head St John London Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Harriet Collins 51 Ireland Mother St George Hanover Square London Mary Ann Collins 15 Pimlico, Middlesex, England Daughter St George Hanover Square London Timothy Collins 31 Ireland Son St George Hanover Square London (the ages here might suggest Mary Ann is Timothy's daughter, rather than Harriet's - just a possibility) Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Joseph Collins 31 Ireland Head Christchurch London Joseph Collins 1 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Christchurch London Mary Collins 30 Ireland Wife Christchurch London Mary Collins 3 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter Christchurch London Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Bridget Collins 8 Aldgate, London, England Daughter St Botolph without Aldgate London Daniel Collins 2 Aldgate, London, England Son St Botolph without Aldgate London Julia Collins 4 Aldgate, London, England Daughter St Botolph without Aldgate London Mary Collins 29 Cork, Ireland Wife St Botolph without Aldgate London Patrick Collins 34 Cork, Ireland Head St Botolph without Aldgate London Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Mary Collins 29 Clare, Ireland Wife Poplar All Saints London Mary Collins 3 Clare, Ireland Daughter Poplar All Saints London Michael Collins 1 Poplar, Middlesex, England Son Poplar All Saints London Patrick Collins 30 Clare, Ireland Head Poplar All Saints London Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Mary Collins 30 Ireland Head St Luke London Mary Collins 1 St Luke, Middlesex, England Daughter St Luke London

Sarah - I am afraid that I may have inadvertently misled you. The original info. I gave you re. Timothy and Mary Collins (nee Lynch) was from the 1861 census, as follows: Timothy age 34 - born St. George, Middx. Coal Whipper Mary age 30 - born Ireland Cork Mary Ann, daughter, age 3/poss. 8, born St. George Patrick, son, age either 0 or 9 by the looks of things, born St. George. They were living then at 7 Hilliards(sp) Ct (St?)., Tower Hamlets. Parish - St. George in the East. They may have moved to the Southwark, Bermondsey, Rotherhithe, St. Olave, Surrey area of London subsequent to the 1861 census. Timothy re-married as a widower in 1878. As I said prev. the marriage cert. 1850 states Mary's maiden name as Lynch, father George Lynch. I must say that the dates that I have from the 1881 census - Timothy age 48, tallies exactly with his death in 1894, whereas the 1861 census indicates that he was born in 1827. My head is spinning - I'm not very analytical so am now getting frazzed. If I still smoked - I'd have a fag, If I had the energy - I'd rock and roll, but On the other hand there is still a very large glass of red wine. to bring comfort and solace. I'm still not sure if I am looking in the right direction. It is only the fact that Timothy's father was Patrick and that is Timothy's father's name on the marriage cert. to Mary Lynch. Time for me break - thanks for all your efforts. Rita