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Dawn The Patricks: Dwelling: Cot House Lucklawhill Census Place: Logie, Fife, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203528 GRO Ref Volume 446 EnumDist 2 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John PATRICK M 35 M Logie, Fife, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gen Lab Christina PATRICK M 37 F Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Rel: Wife James PATRICK 10 M Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John PATRICK 5 M Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Lilias PATRICK 4 F Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Dau Mary PATRICK 3 F Logie, Fife, Scotland Rel: Dau Robert PATRICK 1 M Logie, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Hope this helps. Regards Ellen.

Hi Dawn Think these are your Patersons: Dwelling: Ramornie Mill Census Place: Kettle, Fife, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203524 GRO Ref Volume 435 EnumDist 1 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George PATERSON M 33 M Dairsie, Fife, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Agric Labourer Euphemia PATERSON M 32 F Abernethy, Fife, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Of Labourer Isabella N. PATERSON 12 F Abernethy, Fife, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Ann PATERSON 10 F Arngask, Fife, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Agnes F. PATERSON 8 F Arngask, Fife, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Thomas P. PATERSON 6 M Collessie, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Euphemia PATERSON 4 F Collessie, Fife, Scotland Rel: Dau John PATERSON 2 M Kettle, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Georgina PATERSON 2 m F Kettle, Fife, Scotland Rel: Dau Will get back to you re the Patricks. Regards Ellen.

Dawn there is only one Joseph McGill born 5 years either side of 1853 in the whole UK (minus N Ireland). He was born in Kent and is living in Sussex, so not your man. I think they must be hiding somewhere mistranscribed. Sorry couldn't be of more help. Regards Ellen.

Dawn I'm sorry, I'm really struggling with your Mcgills. No Joseph McGill anywhere. No Mary McGill who could be Joseph's wife on her own or with a family. I think from memory the census was early April so they should be married. Tried Mary McKenna, but no luck either. I'm going to have a look at the National Index and see if they slipped into England for a while. I'll get back to you. Ellen.

Thanks Ellen, I should have told you it changes from Telford to Telfer and back again with every birth/death certificate. Best Wishes Ian

Sorry Ellen the only info I have is Jeanie Watson b 1887 d 1957 glasgow then sibling mary,bella,marion,James no dates all believed born Aberdeed or all lived there when young fathers name Donald mother marion ?I thought Donalds father could be James Donald died in glasgow about 1930ish all this come from my mum who is Jeanies daughter thankyou for replying ellen Isabel ELLEN SORRY ABOUT THIS BUT JEANIE WATSONS FATHER IS JAMES WATSON mother MARION Jeanie wasnt born at time of 1881 census but maybe you could find her parents in Glasgow thankyou Izzy

Hi Lynne Just for you I checked scotlandspeople.(You're now going to have to invest in some credits to trace further!) William Donaldson married Mary Bell at Hemplands, Tortherwald, Dumfrieshire on 22.02.1883. He was 25 yrs, a Gamekeeper, Batchelor, living at Hillside, Tortherwald. She was 22, Farmers Daughter, Spinster, living at Hemplands, Tortherwald. His parents: No father, so illegitimate. Mother Susan Donaldson, Housekeeper. Her parents: William Bell, Farmer and Helen Bell, maiden surname, Anderson. Witnesses: William Donaldson and Ellen Bell. I have the image saved, so if you send me your e mail address by priviate message, I'll forward it to you. Have to go offline now and won't be on till Wed night, so don't panic if I don't get back to you before then. Regards Ellen.

Thanks ,Ellen. Will be most useful. Rosalyn

Hi Rosalyn Spelt wrong, but its them: Dwelling: Mathers Cottages Census Place: Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203496 GRO Ref Volume 310 EnumDist 11 Page 33 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles M. COOPER M 56 M St Feyens, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ag Labourer Mary A. M. COOPER M 40 F Arbirlot, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Jas. M. COOPER 13 M Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Gen Labourer Martha M. COOPER 8 F Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Charles M. COOPER 6 M Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth M. COOPER 4 F Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Christina M. COOPER 2 F Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Cheers Ellen.

Could you look up a CHARLES and MARY COWPER . She would be 40-42. They would be in Forfar with several children.Thanks ,again. Ellen. Rosalyn

Hi Julie No married (or widowed) Alexander Hodge. Only 3 Sarah's 1814, 1822, and this one, the only Sarah Ann. Two (incl this one) married to Georges and one to a James. Dwelling: No 64 Glengarnock Census Place: Kilbirnie, Ayr, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203600 GRO Ref Volume 596 EnumDist 4 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George HODGE M 58 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Labourer Iron Work Sarah Ann HODGE M 56 F Ireland Rel: Wife Isaac HODGE U 17 M Kilbirnie, Ayr, Scotland Do you have any further info, eg children's names, to try to trace them. Regards Ellen.

Hi Ellen Could you look and see if you can find anything on Alexander Hodge born c1820 either Glasgow or Edinburgh Area. He did marry Sarah Ann Augusta Cummings born around the same time and place. Any help welcome. Best wishes Julie

Hi Ian Here they are - mistranscribed as Telfer! Dwelling: Chapmanleys Census Place: Troqueer, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 882 EnumDist 4 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David TELFER M 32 M Gretna, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Mary TELFER M 29 F Tongueland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Wife Robert John TELFER 6 M Kirkbean, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth A. TELFER 4 F Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Dau Jemima J. TELFER 1 F Drysdale, Dumfries, Scotland Regards Ellen.

Isabel I need a little more help here. There are 300 James Watsons in Lanarkshire. Do you have any idea of how old you'd expect him to be in 1881? Why Glasgow - what information are you working from and does it have anything more specific than Glasgow? Regards Ellen.

Hi Ellen, Thanks for the offer. I would like to know what siblings Robert John Telford had. He was born in 1874 in Kirkbean, Kirkcudbright the son of David Telford born 1849 and Mary born 1851 both probably in the New Abbey, Kirkbean or Southwick area of Kirkcudbright. Best wishes Ian

Hi Ellen Im sorry if Ive already asked but please could you look up the james watson family in glasgow Ibelieve my ggrndfather was Donald Watson James son I have no Idea were else to look Icant get started thankyou Isabel

Thank you for trying,don't think it is him. cheers Marion

Marion Just saw on your 1861 thread that Daniel/Donald was born Little Dunkeld. do you think these could be his sisters? Dwelling: Tombane Census Place: Little Dunkeld, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203508 GRO Ref Volume 373 EnumDist 4 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Catherine STEWART U 82 F L Dunkeld, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Pauper Margaret STEWART U 72 F L Dunkeld, Perth, Scotland Rel: Sis Occ: Pauper Cheers Ellen.

Hello there Marion No Catherine's any older than 82 years. No Daniels. Couple of Donalds, but they don't look promising: Dwelling: Lower Pitcairn Census Place: Dull, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203500 GRO Ref Volume 324 EnumDist 7 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Donald STEWART W 83 M Dull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Formerly Grocer James STEWART U 47 M Dull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Joiner Ann STEWART U 44 F Dull, Perth, Scotland Dwelling: 1 Tressait Census Place: Blair Athole, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203502 GRO Ref Volume 334 EnumDist 4 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Donald STEWART W 81 M Blair Athole, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 25 Ac Archibald STEWART U 20 M Blair Athole, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son Margaret STEWART U 34 F Blair Athole, Perth, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Farmers Dau Elizabeth STEWART U 22 F Blair Athole, Perth, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Farmers Dau Charles GOW U 60 M Blair Athole, Perth, Scotland Good Luck. Ellen.

Hi Anne I'm back. Here are James and Helen: Dwelling: 72 Hilltown Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203483 GRO Ref Volume 282-3 EnumDist 13 Page 46 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James BEARN M 34 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Joiner House Helen BEARN M 32 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Helen BEARN 6 F England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Susan BEARN 4 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Jemima BEARN 7 m F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Jane BEARN 7 m F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Regards Ellen.