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ellen , thanks for having another look for me but i am not suprised you can not find them . john may must have died between 1858 ond 1865 as mary married robert lauder in 1865 sorry ,i did say last night my brain wasn't in gear catherine

Hi Ellen, Back again to ask another favour. Hope I'm not wearing out my welcome? Thanks for all the info you gave me last time especially on George and Thomas. The 12yo visitor with Thomas helped me locate his marriage to Jessie Mortimer. I was after a look up for William Sheriffs b1839, Montrose. His parents are William Sherriffs and Christina(Christian?) Forbes. Thanks again David.

ellen, could you please do another look up for me , glasgow robert alexander head - wife isabella 1871 census they were living at burnside st glasgow thanks catherine

Hi David No problem, always happy to help. No William born Montrose, but here are the 4 possibles around that age: Dwelling: Drumsturdy Muir New Bank Census Place: Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203496 GRO Ref Volume 310 EnumDist 8 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SHERIFF W 46 M Latheron, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farm Servant James SHERIFF 12 M Monikie, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William SHERIFF 8 M Monifieth, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary REID U 52 F Kirkden Rel: Servant Occ: Housekeeper Betty SMITH W 25 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Formerly Weaver Dwelling: 33 Windmill St Census Place: Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203464 GRO Ref Volume 232-1 EnumDist 7 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SHIRRIFFS M 41 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Brewer Jane SHIRRIFFS M 43 F Houndwood, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Wife David SHIRRIFFS 10 M Belhaven, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Alexander W. SHIRRIFFS 8 M Belhaven, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Alice A. SHIRRIFFS 7 F Belhaven, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jane W. SHIRRIFFS 2 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Daur Ann R. REID U 17 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: General Servt Domestic Dwelling: 12 Mains Rd Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203484 GRO Ref Volume 282-3 EnumDist 25 Page 33 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SHERIFF M 40 M Carnoustie, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: House Carpenter Agnes SHERIFF M 41 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife William SHERIFF U 17 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: House Carpenter Agnes SHERIFF 11 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Charles SHERIFF 8 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Christina SHERIFF 4 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau David SHERIFF 1 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Dwelling: Southesk Terrace Census Place: Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203477 GRO Ref Volume 275 EnumDist 12 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SHERIFF M 39 M Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ag Labourer Sarah SHERIFF M 38 F Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Alexander SHERIFF 13 M Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Helen SHERIFF 10 F Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John SHERIFF 8 M Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William SHERIFF 6 M Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Charles SHERIFF 1 M Brechin, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Willhave a look for his parents and get back to you. Regards Ellen.

Hi again David No sign of William senior and/or wife Isabella. Don't know if these are of any interest to you, but they are a family of Montrose born Sheriffs: Dwelling: 4 Dorward Street Census Place: Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203498 GRO Ref Volume 312 EnumDist 18 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph SHERRIFFS M 57 M Marykirk, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Retired Carrier Jane SHERRIFFS M 50 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Wife Maggie SHERRIFFS U 25 F Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Milliner John SHERIFFS U 22 M Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Tailor Annie SHERIFFS U 17 F Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker Joseph SHERIFFS 15 M Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Draper Andrew N. SHERIFFS 12 M Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar James SHERIFFS 9 M Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Regards Ellen.

Hello Catherine I've got them. It would be helpful in finding folks quicker if you could always give me as much info as you already have. eg, ages, places of birth on 1871 census for these ones. Anyway, here they are: Dwelling: 41 Burnside St Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203656 GRO Ref Volume 644-8 EnumDist 16 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert ALEXANDER M 57 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Iron Dresser Isabella ALEXANDER M 48 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Lappet Cutter Andrew ALEXANDER 15 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Iron Moulder Robert ALEXANDER 6 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Hope it helps Regards Ellen.

Hi Ellen, Thanks again for your time and help. I appreciate you listing the other Sheriffs family from Montrose. Not sure if they fit in yet but you never know. Thanks again, best wishes David.

Hello Ellen Would it be possible please for you to look up my Gt Gt Grandfather GEORGE SOMERVILLE born in Scotland. He was 'deceased' on his son's, JOHN CHARLES SOMERVILLE, marriage cert in 1894. John was aged either 23 or 28, that hopefully should give a rough idea of how old George would have been if still alive in 1881- at least 30 I guess.(although maths not my subject!) GEORGE moved to Holborn area of London later. The name has many variations unfortunately! eg SOMMERVILLE, SUMMERVILLE, even SOMERVEL etc Thanks Alison

Hey Ellen Can i ask for you to search for the following please: John (1853 Drainie) and Jane Ann Robertson (1860). Most likely to be living up at Pitlochry or the surrounding area. William (c1830) and Christina Robertson (c1830) also living up in the Pitlochry area or maybe Drainie. William (c1830) and Jane Ross (c1830). Might be living with daughters Margaret (1862) and Isabella (1866). Both daughters where born in Forres, Morayshire so i'm thinking they might be in that area. William Fraser (1863 Errol). Might be with parents John (1835) and Margaret (1836) if not could you search for them separately. Thanks Mhairi

Mhairi Have here: 1. Only possibles for Margaret Ross & parents, no sign of Isabella anywhere. 2. William Fraser 3. John & Margaret Fraser. Struggling with your Robertsons, will continue to look. Any idea of occupations? Were John and Jane Ann definitely married by 1881? Dwelling: Brackla Bothy Census Place: Cawdor, Nairn, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203429 GRO Ref Volume 122 EnumDist 2 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William ROSS M 52 M Duffes, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Disty Ballman Jane Dean ROSS M 51 F Drainie, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Disty Ballman Wife James ROSS U 26 M Kinloss, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Tun Room Washer Margt. Rose ROSS U 18 F Forres, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dom Serv (note from Ellen – Disty is a distillery! And Tun Room is, I think, in a distillery) Dwelling: Riverside Fisher Lodge Venturo Census Place: Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203507 GRO Ref Volume 369 EnumDist 3 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James ROSS M 34 M Errol, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Salmon Fisher Joseph MILNE U 33 M Abernathy, Perth, Scotland Rel: Other Occ: Salmon Fisher David KIDDIE W 27 M Methven, Perth, Scotland Rel: Other Occ: Salmon Fisher Wm. FRASER U 17 M Errol, Perth, Scotland Rel: Other Occ: Salmon Fisher Olivar FRASER U 15 M Errol, Perth, Scotland Rel: Other Occ: Salmon Fisher Dwelling: Chapelhill Cottages Census Place: Errol, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203505 GRO Ref Volume 351 EnumDist 6 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John FRASER M 44 M Methven, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Margaret FRASER M 44 F Errol, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Jane FRASER 13 F St Madoes, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar I'll get back to you if I find the Robertsons. Regards Ellen.

Ellen John and Jane Ann where married in 1880, she might be using the name Ann. On their marriage cert John was a Engine something think it might be stoker. William was a farm labourer Mhairi

Mhairi Now it makes sense! Here they are (couple of houses along from William and Jane Ross - you might have told me they were Jane Ann's parents!) By the way. as you will see, John was not born in Drainie. Dwelling: Brackla Cottage Census Place: Cawdor, Nairn, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203429 GRO Ref Volume 122 EnumDist 2 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ROBERTSON M 28 M Petty, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Engine Steerer Ann Ross ROBERTSON M 20 F Kinloss, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Engine Steerer Wife Stil looking for John's mum and dad. Based on the above info they could be anywhere! Regards Ellen.

Sorry Ellen should have said. Just discovered William and Christina's marriage on IGI, it was in 1835 so they will be older than i thought. I'm guessing that they where still alive by 1881 because they are not said to be deceased on Johns marriage certificate unless he was lying but i dont see why he would. Mhairi

Hi Ellen, I was wondering if you could look for any Sherriffs for me in Inverkeillor, Angus? I have a lot of ancestors there in the early 1800's to 1820's but then they just disappear. I know some moved to Kirkden but the rest are dead ends. I'm hoping some will show in the 1881 census that may give me a new lead. Thanks David.

Hi David There is only this one Sherrriffs (or variation) either born in or living in Inverkeillor, except for your George, the Inspector of Poor. Dwelling: 34 Maule St Census Place: St Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203475 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 26 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SHERRIFFS U 64 M Inverkeillor, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Wood Mercht Isabella ADAM U 66 F Durris, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Dom Serv Gen Regards Ellen. Hi Paula Lossiemouth is not in Aberdeenshire, its in Morayshire, quite a bit to the west. I'll have a look for him now anyway. Regards Ellen.

Hi Paula You are right - this is not an easy one! Couple of questions first: What information do you have that leads you to believe Peter's birth year is c.1860? Similarly how do you know he was a tailor? Also - I take it you mean that he met your great grandmother in 1912 in London, not your grandmother? He would have been 52 by then, is this correct? Bearing in mind I do not have answers to the above at present, here is what I am considering: 1. There is no Peter Anderson (leave the Hendry bit aside for now!) in Scotland in 1881 who is a tailor or tailor's apprentice, of the right age. 2. There is one in Fife, Scotland born 1864 - does not seem a likely fit with the limited info so far. 3. There is a Peter Anderson born 12th June 1862 (not on the 1881 census), who was born in Tain, Ross & Cromarty, but whose birth was registered both there and in the district of Elgin. Morayshire used to be Elginshire, and Lossiemouth would be in the district of Elgin. 4. His parents are John Anderson, a Coach Builder Journeyman, and Mary Anderson, ms, Malloch. 5. John and Mary were married in Edinburgh on 1st June 1857. 6. There are two other children to this couple, Jane Ann Anderson b. 4th October 1859 in Elgin and Mary Anderson b. 24th September 1866 in Kelso, Roxburgh-shire, which is in the south of Scotland in the border region with England, so the family are moving about a lot. 7. There is a Peter B Anderson, born 1862 in Scotland, living as a lodger in Clerkenwell, London, who is a Clothier's Assistant. (close to Tailor or maybe went on to become one?) Dwelling: 7 Farringdon Rd Census Place: Clerkenwell, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341076 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0350 Folio 109 Page 18 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizabeth A. CANNONS W 39 F Southampton, Hampshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Dressmaker Lilly M.A. CANNONS 13 F London Holborn, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Eda M. CANNONS 11 F Newington Rel: Daur Harry G.T. CANNONS 8 M Newington Rel: Son Edmond J. CANNONS 7 M Finsbury Park Rel: Son Maximilian NOVOTIN U 29 M Bohemia, Austria Rel: Lodger Occ: Coppersmith Mark W. MONK U 29 M Clerkenwell Rel: Lodger Occ: Carpenter & Joiner Mary F. HAIGH M 25 F Surrey, England Rel: Lodger Carl E. ANDERSON M 23 M Norway Rel: Lodger Occ: Watch Maker Pauline ANDERSON M 23 F Norway Rel: Lodger Borghild ANDERSON 2 F Norway Rel: Lodger George H. TAYLOR U 28 M Barnsley, York, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Engineers Pattern Maker (E & M) John ANDERSON U 23 M Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Watch Maker Peter B. ANDERSON U 19 M Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Clothiers Assistant All a bit tenuous, but as far as I can get without a bit more info. Can find nothing on either the Aberdeenshire connection, or the middle name Hendry. It is possible that Peter was born illegitimately to a mother with the surname Hendry, and registered under that name, then took his fathers surname of Anderson, but will do no further investigation till I hear from you in case I go searching up blind alleys! Regards Ellen.

MCKENZIE Hi Ellen, It's very kind of you to help other people in your spare time. I have been searching for info on my gr gr gr grandparents children. Firstly, I will give you what I know of the parents. Alexander McKenzie married Ann Melville or Melvil on 22.6.1828 in Glenisla Angus. I don't have d.o.b.'s. They had 5 children. Jannet ch 4.9.1831 Glenisla - Angus John ch 9.3.1834 Auchinleish - Angus TWIN GIRLS Catherine Wilson b.3.7.1839 Alyth - Perth Isabel Robertson b. 3.7.1839 ' ' Duncan 3.5.1842 ' ' That is all I know about this family except that Catherine Wilson married Robert Ritchie on 3.12.1857. Robert was born on 1.4.1830 in Either Kennoway or Markinch in Fife. Will you be able to find out where these children were in 1881? I know I am asking a lot of you, but I wondered if you would also be able to help me with my gr gr gr gr grandparents children. The parents were: William Ritchie & Mary Wilson. They got married 15/12/1805 in Monimail-Fife. No d.o.b.'s. William ch 21.7.1806 Monimail or Markinch John ch 26/8/1810 Markinch James ch 29/8/1813 ' Margaret ch 3/3/1816 Scoonie Andrew ch 17/7/1818 Kennoway Feorge Forbes ch 15/7/1821 ' Alexander Henderson ch 31/12/1826 Markinch Will you be able to find out where these children were in 1881 if they were still alive? I would be grateful for any help you can give me, Ellen, and Thank you once again. Kind Regards Katherine - nee Ritchie

Hi Katherine Its no problem - I like getting a break from my own brick walls! Here's the first lot, Robert & Catherine Ritchie: Dwelling: Durievale Census Place: Markinch, Fife, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203529 GRO Ref Volume 447 EnumDist 15 Page 29 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert RITCHIE M 50 M Kennoway, Fife, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ploughman Catherine RITCHIE M 43 F Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Christina RITCHIE U 18 F Markinch, Fife, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: General Serv (Dom) Alexander RITCHIE 14 M Markinch, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Apprentice Grocer David RITCHIE 10 M Markinch, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: At School Will come back with the rest (probably after brunch!) Cheers Ellen.

Hi Katherine Here are a few of them. The women are harder to find as they would have been married by then, but I'll do a bit of digging after my meal. Dwelling: Craigton Census Place: Caputh, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203510 GRO Ref Volume 386-B EnumDist 2 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MC KENZIE W 46 M Glenisla, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Home Dyker (In Ill Health For Years) Margaret MC KENZIE U 21 F Kirkmichael, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Home Dykers Daughter Duncan MC KENZIE U 13 M Kirkmichael, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Anne STEWART 2 F Dunkeld, Perth, Scotland Rel: Gr Daur Dwelling: 3 West Port Census Place: Cupar, Fife, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203519 GRO Ref Volume 420 EnumDist 1 Page 19 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John RITCHIE W 70 M Balmerino, Fife, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: (Formerly Miller) Betsy RITCHIE U 39 F Leuchars, Fife, Scotland Rel: Daur Joseph DAVIS U 19 M England Rel: Lodger Occ: Bank Teller Thomas BEVERIDGE U 20 M Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Drapers Assistant Frederick B. CALVERT M 62 M England Rel: Lodger Occ: Teacher Of Classics & C Dwelling: Townloan Road Census Place: Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203520 GRO Ref Volume 424 EnumDist 6 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Andrew RITCHIE M 62 M Kennoway, Fife, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gardener Eliza C. RITCHIE M 54 F Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary RITCHIE U 18 F Auchtertool, Fife, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dairy Maid Dwelling: Woodside Census Place: Markinch, Fife, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203529 GRO Ref Volume 447 EnumDist 5 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander RITCHIE M 54 M Kennoway, Fife, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: General Lab Margaret RITCHIE M 49 F Kingskettle, Fife, Scotland Rel: Wife William RITCHIE 12 M Markinch, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Christina RITCHIE 9 F Markinch, Fife, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar I really am going to go and eat this time. I'll get back to you. Regards Ellen.

Hi Ellen, looking for more info on Merchant family from Ayrshire, if there are a lot of them, don't bother but if only a few could you let me have some details. I have a Jane Yates (nee Merchant) living in Glasgow in 1871, gives place of birth as Ayrshire, aged 55, can you find her please. Thanks for the offer Gloria x