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Ellen - thanks a million for the Gillespies - could you help me with the Porteous' - I don't have much data, but here we go: William PORTEOUS - I think he was born about 1820 in the Dumfries area, and I think he was a shepherd or miner. Elizabeth PORTEOUS (nee Telfer), wife. William PORTEOUS, born 1868, son. James PORTEOUS, son Mathew PORTEOUS, son. John PORTEOUS, son. Agnes PORTEOUS, dau. Hannah PORTEOUS, dau. George PORTEOUS, dau. Elizabeth PORTEOUS, dau. Any information would be a great help. Thanks, Elaine in Denmark.

Hi Ellen In desparation cannot find my rellie anywhere else: Arthur WATSON would have been 57 in 1881. Born Longtown Cumberland occupation Steam Engine Fitter. Many thanks Pauline

Elaine This looks like your Porteous family, although William is a lot younger than you thought - but that fits better with young William being born in 1868. And he is widowed. Dwelling: Hagston Census Place: Ballantrae, Ayr, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203592 GRO Ref Volume 579 EnumDist 5 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William PORTEUS W 39 M Moffat, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Shepherd Henrietta PORTEUS U 17 F Thornhill, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Daur William PORTEUS 13 M Moffat, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Agnes PORTEUS 9 F Ballantrae, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Matthew PORTEUS 7 M Ballantrae, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth PORTEUS 5 F Ballantrae, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar George PORTEUS 3 M Ballantrae, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son John PORTEUS 1 M Ballantrae, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Christina PORTEUS 15 F Glasgow Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv (Domestic) There are a couple of others, but the childrens' names are wrong. Regards Ellen.

Elaine Here is the other family - much older and wrong children I think. Dwelling: Johnstone Cleuch Census Place: Johnstone, Dumfries, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224049 GRO Ref Volume 832 EnumDist 1 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William PORTEOUS M 65 M Wamphray, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 139 Acres Employing 2 Men & 2 Women Elizabeth H. PORTEOUS M 67 F Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary PORTEOUS U 27 F Wamphray, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: At Home Grace PORTEOUS U 24 F Wamphray, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: At Home Mary PORTEOUS 3 F Wamphray, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: G Daur Joseph WILSON U 19 M Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Serv Regards Ellen.

Pauline Sorry - no sign of Arthur anywhere in the country (Scotland or rest of UK) What else do you know about him? Where did you get the info he would be 57 in 1881? How do you know he was born Cumbernauld? If you have any more info I'm happy to look again. Regards Ellen.

Ellen Thanks very much for your help - I think the first family is mine, but I noted the name was spelled 'Porteus' and not 'Porteous' - My grandmother was 'Porteous' so it must have been registered wrongly at some time! Ellen, can you tell me what the 'U' after Henrietta Porteus stands for? Regards Elaine

Hi Ellen, I have yet another look up if you are stilling willing - again don't have much to go on, but this all I have: William Skene, born c1840-50, (they were married in Lochanbrigge, Dumfriesshire in 1875). occ. dyker. Rose Anne Skene (nee Cairns), wife. Mary Agnes Skene, born 1878, Rhonehouse. dau. Helen Skene, dau. Isa Skene, dau. John Skene, son. Regards, Elaine in Denmark

Hi Ellen Re: Arthur Watson you kindly looked up for me. with no success. I have his age from 1851 - 1891 census. Also have his baptism dates. Born 1824 Longtown Cumberland. How can someone just disappear??? Pauline

Hi Elaine The U after Henrietta etc stands for Unmarried. Here are William and Rose - and a bonus, they are staying with William's parents! Dwelling: Rhonehouse Census Place: Kelton, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 869 EnumDist 10 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John SKEENE M 79 M Kelton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Stone Dyker Mary SKEENE M 58 F Dunscore, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Wife William SKEENE M 31 M Kelton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Stone Dyker Rose Ann SKEENE M 32 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daughter In Law Occ: Stone Dykers Wife Helen SKEENE 5 F Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Grand Daughter Occ: Scholar Mary Agnes SKEENE 2 F Kelton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Regards Ellen.

Okay Pauline we're going to have to try this another way, as he must be mistranscribed somewhere. Give me what you know about his family. If we find them, we could find him somewhere close by, or even living with them, with his name spelt wrong. Where was he in 1891, do you know? Do you know: children, siblings, parents? Names, dates/places of birth, occupations? There's a John Watson born Cumbernauld in 1822, a weaver. could he be a brother? Regards Ellen.

Hi Ellen Re Arthur Watson: In 1891 he was found living in workhouse. His wife Mary Ann was in Barrow in Furness in 1881 & 1891 with children married but with no husband. I have reason to beleive they had spearated. Wherevever he was he was not with his family. John Watson you found not his brother all his brothers were dead. He must be one of many that dissapeared off of the 1881 census. There are not many other ways of mistranscribing his name !! Many thanks Pauline

Emma No John/Jane - but could this be the family? Dwelling: 9 Low Barholm Street Census Place: Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203577 GRO Ref Volume 568 EnumDist 5 Page 13 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John (Sr) GARDNER M 66 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mason Martha GARDNER M 60 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Masons Wife William GARDNER U 19 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Taylor Matthew GARDNER 12 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Will look for the kids now. Regards Ellen.

Emma 2 Robert Garndners, neither quite the right age. The second one looks like a related family, so yours may be the first one with a sister in law and neices & nephews. Dwelling: 57 Belville St Census Place: East Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203571 GRO Ref Volume 564-2 EnumDist 13 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Jessie GARDNER M 27 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Joiners Wife Jeannie GARDNER 5 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur John GARDNER 3 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Martha GARDNER 1 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Robert GARDNER U 21 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Engine Fitter At Works Dwelling: Steeple St No 36 Census Place: Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203577 GRO Ref Volume 568 EnumDist 4 Page 18 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James GARDNER M 69 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Wool Weaver Agnes GARDNER M 53 F Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Wife Margaret GARDNER U 29 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Wool Weaver James GARDNER U 20 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Slater Peter GARDNER U 17 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Wool Weaver Robert GARDNER 15 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Wool Weaver Findlay GARDNER 11 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Regards Ellen.

Emma Two John Gardner Jnr families - take your pick! Dwelling: Cross Census Place: Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203577 GRO Ref Volume 568 EnumDist 1 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John GARDNER M 38 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Agent Naval Pensioner Lily GARDNER M 41 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Keeps House Lily GARDNER 13 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Maryann GARDNER 7 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Agnes GARDNER 5 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Jane GARDNER 3 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Janet GARDNER 1 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Dwelling: 6 Graham St Census Place: Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203566 GRO Ref Volume 559-3 EnumDist 10 Page 16 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John GARDNER M 36 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Confectioner Maggie GARDNER M 29 F Campbletown, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Wife James LINDSAY U 11 M Howwood, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Stepson Occ: Scholar James GARDNER U 8 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Hellen GARDNER U 5 F Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Regards Ellen.

Emma - probably not your Janet Gardner, but very likely also related. Dwelling: 37 High Barholm Street Census Place: Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203577 GRO Ref Volume 568 EnumDist 5 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James GARDNER M 64 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Wool Weaver Susan GARDNER M 43 F Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Pirn Winder Janet GARDNER U 21 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Wool Weaver Margaret GARDNER 6 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Isabella GARDNER 4 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Robert B. GARDNER 2 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son John LOVE W 68 M Lochwinnoch, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Father Occ: Lime Stone Miner John LOVE U 40 M Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Brother Occ: Lime Stone Miner Mary DINSMORE U 28 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Wool Weaver And for good measure, here are another couple of Gardners in Kilbarchan who may be related: Dwelling: Ewing St No 8 Census Place: Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203577 GRO Ref Volume 568 EnumDist 4 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Matthew GARDNER U 46 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Wool Weaver Elizabeth GARDNER U 56 F Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Sister Occ: Winder Good Luck with them all. Regards Ellen.

Cliff 3 possibles. You might recognise some of the parents/siblings/occupations?? Dwelling: Ingarnie Rd Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203481 GRO Ref Volume 282-2 EnumDist 5A Page 57 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas ALLAN M 64 M ... Rel: Head Occ: Tailor Janet ALLAN M 62 F ... Rel: Wife John ALLAN W 40 M Ceres, Fife, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Stationer And Newsagent Margaret ALLAN U 39 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Hessian Weaver William ALLAN U 23 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Calander Worker Helen ALLAN U 21 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Hessian Weaver Thomas ALLAN 8 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Dwelling: 14 Hedge Road Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203483 GRO Ref Volume 282-3 EnumDist 16 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William ALLAN M 62 M Mains, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Merchant Emp 5 Men Christina BENN M 57 F Eassie, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Coal Merchants Wife Barbara Meek ALLAN U 27 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Dressmaker Christina H. ALLAN U 25 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Serv (Dom) William ALLAN U 21 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Provision Merchant (Wholesale) James ALLAN U 19 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Ironmonger Robert H. B. ALLAN 13 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Dwelling: Loanhead Private House Census Place: Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203498 GRO Ref Volume 312 EnumDist 32 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David JACKSON M 39 M Edzell, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Blacksmith Master Employ 1 Man 1 Boy Jessie JACKSON M 38 F Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Of Blacksmith Margaret A. JACKSON 11 F Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John JACKSON 6 M Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William JACKSON 4 M Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Mary JACKSON 11 m F Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur William ALLAN U 21 M Tannadice, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Blacksmith Journeyman Alexander CAMERON U 16 M Edzell, Forfar, Scotland Hope this is of some help. Regards Ellen.

Dear Ellen You have helped me previously with my Jardine/Allan, Wardrope/Corbett families. By searching on IGI I have found the name of Moses Corbett's wife as being MARY HILL. I was wondering if there was any information on the census about her. I've a feeling she may have died by 1881, but am not sure. Kind regards, Marcia

Marcia There are a few elderly Mary Corbetts. You'll need to remind me of some of the details. What sort of ballpark age do you expect her to be? Whereabouts in the country? And some of her children's names, as she may be living with one of them. what did Moses do for a living, as it sometimes says eg 'Mason's widow'. Regards Ellen.

Hi Ellen I'm guessing that Mary Corbett nee Hill was born around 1833 possibly in Ireland, but not sure, so we are looking at about age 48. According to IGI her first child was born in 1862. He was named William. But as she went on to have another William in 1867, I suspect the first William died. According to the 1881 census her children were Thomas Corbett b. 1863, Margaret Corbett b. 1865 and William Corbett b. 1867, all apparently born in Motherwell, Lanark, Scotland. Her husband Moses was listed as aged 48, Ironwork Labourer, b. Ireland, however, her name does not seem to appear. Kind regards, Marcia

Marcia Moses is showing as a widower on the 1881 census, so Mary died before then. You need to go onto scotlandspeople to search for her death pre 1881. As the children were born in Scotland, it would follow that she died in Scotland. I can't imagine that there are loads of Mary Corbetts dying younger than 48, so she should not be too expensive to find. good Luck Ellen.