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Lou, there definately was a Tupps Row, on the old map, someone had written known as Watson St. Margaret

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Lou, I have 7 credits left for 1837 if I can help you for a change. or anyone else. Iam not saying I will do a good job , but I can try. Margaret

Depending on when William died, he might not have been John's father but Mary was still called Darlington which is why John was given that as his surname BUT William isn't named on the certificate! There's no reason to think that William's father wont be named on his marriage cert! Hi Johnathan My fault, I hadn't scrolled down far enough and seen that you'd already found the William and Mary marriage! Lou

Hi Johnathon, yes you gave me her name & christening date and I appreciated it very much. There are a few different spellings of her name, which makes me unsure. Margaret

Lou when I sent for their sons marriage certificate none of their names were there., just the brides father. Margaret

Margaret You need to get William and Mary's marriage certificate. It wont name his mother but his father's name should be on there and how old he was Given that they married at the end of 1850, they'll hopefully still be at the same address, or in the same area, for the 1851 census which will give you their birthplaces Lou

Hi Lou , Barbara, thankyou so much I really appreciate this ,how would I find Williams date of birth? I wouldn't be surprised if his parents names were missing from the marriage certificate. thank you once again. Margaret

Thank you Barbara I had no credits to check for her and family rellies is useless before 1866! Lou

Margaret, Mary Tabron, William Darlington...Marriage Oct-Dec qtr 1850 XX 923 Warrington Cheers Barbara

Hi Margaret I've had a look on Cheshire BMD and found this Mary Tabron married William Darlington at Warrington St Paul's Church in 1850 Unfortunately it doesn't say which month so you'll need to check all 4 qtrs of 1850 on 1837online to find out when it was and to get the reference to order the certificate. Lou

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Thanks Johnathon, I would like to find her marriage to Darlington when and where, she couldn't have been married to him long as she had my G Grandfather in Nov 55 then married to Birchall 6mths later. Grateful for your help. Margaret

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Hi Johnathon, thank you very much for you information, On the birth certificate for her son , it has Mary darlington, with Taburn underneath , do you think that Taburn was her maiden name?? any ideas as to where and when Mary And Joseph tied the knot. and don't say Christmas day lol All I know about the Birchall's is in 1861 she had a couple of other kids to Joseph Margaret

Hi Lou, I was speaking to one of my cousins who lives in St Helens, she went to the library, and was asking about old maps. She mentioned Tups Row, the librarian said it was a nick name for the street, and would look the information out for her, so will have it by Wednesday. Hopefully it might help. Margaret

Thanks Lou, I will let you know how I get on. Margaret

If Mary wasn't illegitimate then her father should be named on the marriage certificate You'll need to order the cert to get the information but if there is no father stated on it, then it hints that maybe she was illegitimate too. It narrows down your search for a baptism cos it means you're looking for one that only names the mother! Lou

Lou How do you navigate this site? Do they give you the records on line? every time I click on the the record I want , it tells you something else, and does not give you any information I want. Any advice to a demented fart. Maggie