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Is this a possible, mistranscribed? Individual Record 1881 British Census Thomas ROWEN Household Male Other Information: Birth Year <1864> Birthplace London, London, Middlesex, England Age 17 Occupation Scholar Marital Status Head of Household Thomas ROWEN Relation Inmate Disability Source Information: Institution 'Plasket Reformatory Schools' Eastham Census Place East Ham, Essex, England Family History Library Film 1341413 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1724 / 175 Page Number 2

Gone back with Thomas S - no sarah , but his father is ...Thomas S too

I think the chap from Hull had a father called Thomas (1871)... Couple of James' here born Holborn / St Pancra - the son is of age to have fathered Thomas (but he's a clerk in 1861) Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County --------------------------------------------------------- Ann Bowling abt 1812 Arkesdown, Essex, England Wife St Mary Woolchurch Middlesex James Bowling abt 1818 Holborn, Middlesex, England Head St Mary Woolchurch Middlesex +->James L Bowling abt 1844 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Son St Mary Woolchurch Middlesex Mary Shelvey abt 1844 Ramsgate, Kent, England Visitor St Mary Woolchurch Middlesex Nope, that 1844 James has a son James too by 1881. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence ---------------------------------------------------------- +->James Bowling abt 1844 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Head 153 Albert Road, Camberwell, London, England James Bowling abt 1878 Camberwell, Surrey, England Son 153 Albert Road, Camberwell, London, England Lucy A. Bowling abt 1875 Deptford, Kent, England Daughter 153 Albert Road, Camberwell, London, England Rhoda Bowling abt 1844 Chatters, Cambridgeshire, England Wife 153 Albert Road, Camberwell, London, England John Major abt 1864 Seaford, Sussex, England Visitor 153 Albert Road, Camberwell, London, England

Jess, I've written them all down (they all ring bells, but my brain's gone fuzzy over the months of looking), and am going to have a look at them all now. Am I trying to find mostly a father named James?

You say you can't find him in 1891 - there are 4 reasonable Bowling, Thomas abt 1865 Leyland, Lancashire Head Blackburn Lancashire Bowling, Thomas abt 1863 Leyland, Lancashire Head Leyland Lancashire Bowling, Thomas abt 1866 Longworth, Lancashire Son Over Darwen Lancashire Bowling, Thomas S abt 1862 Hull, Yorkshire Head Islington London <<-- Good fishing in Hull, i would have thought ^ Looking at that last one, he IS head, but wiith a sister Sarah.......are they worth taking back to see if father with the right name pops up?

which of these, if any , have you investigated? BOWLING, Thomas 1862 December Births Chorley Lancashire BOWLING, Thomas Henry 1862 March Births Blackburn Lancashire BOWLING, Thomas Osborn 1864 June Births Cardiff (1837-1974) Glamorgan Monmouthshire BOWLING, Thomas Smith 1862 June Births Sculcoates East Riding of Yorkshire BOWLING, Tom 1862 December Births Thorne Lincolnshire West Riding of Yorkshire BOWLING, Tom 1862 December Births Barnsley West Riding of Yorkshire

Jess - the children were all born in Essex Silvertown. Lisa

Katy, yes that's him alright!

Were all the children born in London too? jess

Jess - yes his marraige certificate 1892 says he was 28, and his death certificate in 1900 says he was 36 - both of these put his birth at 1864. His death certificate is interesting in that the cause of death was 'syncope due to rupture of anuerism', and he died at the India Rubber Works in Silvertown West Ham.

Hi - are these his marriage/death details Married in Holborn Bowling, Thomas 1892 December Marriages Holborn London Middlesex Gibbs, Alice 1892 December Marriages Holborn London Middlesex Died West Ham Name: Bowling, Thomas Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 36 Quarter: June Year: 1900 District: West Ham County: Essex Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 83

Does the age on his marriage cert tie up with his death cert? Where was his death registered? Did he have a second name recorded on either? Jess x married in Holborn- 1892-

In fact, no I cannot even find Thomas on the 1891 Census.

Yes, I have ancestry.co.uk membership, and keep looking on there on the various census years. On Thomas's marraige certificate it says that his father James was a fisherman. Thomas's widow Alice and their three children Thomas, Carrie and Alice were living in London St Lukes on the 1901 census, with Alice's parents. If James was a fisherman, I would think that they were probably not originally from that area (not great fishing in the East End!

Lisa You probably aren't doing anything wrong. Sometimes the indexes have errors, and sometimes information is missed. Have you got Thomas Bowling on a census anywhere which would help confirm his year of birth and give a birthplace? If not, where did he get married? What was his and his father James' occupations? nell

Have you looked for him on any of the census' Lisa, if you dont have access let me know what area and I will have a look for you. Audrey

I have my great grandfathers - Thomas Bowling - death certificates and marraige certificates. Married 1892 to Alice Gibbs (certificate states his father - deceased - as James Bowling). Death certificate 1900 aged 36. He was I assume born in 1864. No matter where I look, I cannot find an entry of his birth (and I do look at 1863 and 1865 also). I also look at the James Bowlings just incase he changed his birth name. Am I barking up the wrong tree, because obviously if I cannot find his birth, I cannot go back any further than this. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong. Lisa Jones