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Hi Lesley Can I ask for another favour. Could you look for two baptisms on the Pallots Index. They are Henry Medcraft born around 1830 in Bishopsgate/ Shoreditch, London and Eliza Waller born around 1833 in Ware, Hertfordshire. I probably have more but I thought I better not swamp you as you have tried hard for me on my other request!! Thanks again, Emma

No Problem Emma Sorry I couldn't help more :~( If you need anything else looking up please feel free to ask me. Happy Hunting Lesley

Hi Lesley I can't say for sure really if this is the right John Grosvenor as the age is out a bit but I am pretty sure that he would be in West Bromwich by the 1871 census. Don't worry it was more of a long shot really. Thanks for looking for me. I really appreciate it. Regards, Emma

EMMA I have done open search for John Grosvener and the only 1 coming up 1871 census b:Birmingham warwickshire is b:abt 1854 Could that be him??? Lesley

EMMA I will go and take another look Lesley

Hi Lesley Thats the right marriage but I am not sure that the birth is right. I think he was born around 1845 but puts his birth down for about 1849 on some census' but sometimes older on other documents. The only thing for definate is that he has always put his name as John Henry Grosvenor although I am definately open to new suggestion. Hopefully the census will bring up something. Thank, Emma

Oh thanks Lesley, that's great. Jan x

JAN If I findanything I will PM you and let you know then you dont have to keep coming on here & checking. If you want any OTHER families looking up give me a shout I will be happy to search.. Lesley

EMMA Think this is Henry?? Name: Grosvenor, Henry Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1852 District: Birmingham (1837-1924) County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 94 This is his marriage but with no wife's name Name: GROSVENOR, John Henry Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1875 District: Dudley County: Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: [1]65 Going looking at census now Lesley

Totally understand Lesley. I've been the same for 12 months LOL. No rush anyway. If you feel like it some other time I'll be grateful. Many thanks Jan xx

JAN VERY isnt the word lol I will keep a note of all your names and when I have spare time I will search again..but think I need a rest from this family for a while now lol I might be looking so hard I cant see them lol Regards Lesley

Hi Lesley This is a tricky one but I was wondering if you could look for a John Henry Grosvenor on the 1861 and 1871 census for me. The tricky part is that other than he says he was born in Birmingham, Warwickshire and his year of birth is somewhere between 1840 and 1850 then I have no other info on him. I know he married in 1875 in Tipton, Dudley,Staffordshire and his place of residence was then down as West Bromwich, Staffordshire. It may be possible that he was living with a William Henry Brookes and William's wife Jane. John puts his father down as William Grosvenor but I am not entirely sure that he was telling the truth. Thats all I have so far on him. I am hoping that some of it may come together but you never know. Thanks again and I hope I haven't confused you! Regards, Emma

Lesley We cannot connect the Beaminster or Hampshire Newlyns to our at the moment. Slade is also a bit alien too, unless one of the Mothers was s Slade earlier even than these. There is also Wm Sambrook Newlyn we've not been able to link. Very frustrating LOL. Thanks for your help Lesley J xx

JAN The William Slade is married to an Elizabeth.... Lesley

Lesley, the marriage in Wandsworth 1877. Does it give name of wife? Is she an Elizabeth. We think that both father and son (William) married an Elizabeth. Certainly Wm (II), who was mis-transcribed NewLAN was with Elizabeth King on two certs I HOPE are my grandfather and his sister Emily. Jan x

Grief Lesley, you're on fire today LOL Yes, that is the correct marriage for John - to Theressa Smith 1882. I have that cert. Have been looking for the Newlyn births for almost a year. Cannot find them anywhere. That'll be the breakthrough if I can get just one. Then I'll know the Mum, Elizabeth's maiden name. Really grateful for all your work Lesley. Regards Jan x

JAN the only marriage coming up for William Newlyn abt 1869 is in 1872 in Beaminster Dorset.Somerset. Search was 1869 +/- 5 yrs Name came up as William Slade Newlyn Search for 1869 +/- 10 yrs Name was William Newlyn but it was in 1877 in Wandsworth Surrey London & 2 others Married in Dover.... Do you think any of them could be possible? Lesley

Hi Lesley That was quick. Thank you. I think Woolwich came under Kent, although everything I look at says Gt London Kent. I know 3 of John's children were christened at The Garrison Chapel Woolwich, Kent in the early 1800s also some of the Newlyn's at St. Mary Magdalen, Woolwich Kent, so is it Kent you mean by Parish or the churches? Sorry, not much help!! Jan x

JAN I have looked for Willaim Newlyn & Elizabeth's marriage c1850 but nothing is coming close to the year. for either Essex or London. I can't find his birth in c1825 either +/- 10 yrs.. I cant find John b:c1857 or his parents marriage.. I might have found John Newlyn marriage in 1882 in Woolwich if you havnt already got it??? Lesley

JAN This could be John's Birth But as my geography isnt great I dont know which Parish Woolwich would come under Your search will only show records that match all of these fields: First Name John Last Name Bailey Soundex Exact Baptism Day All Baptism Month All Baptism Year 1795 +/- 5 Yrs County London RESULT 1 : Name: John Bailey Baptism Date: 1795 Parent 1: John Bailey Parent 2: Rebecca Bailey Parish: St. Andrew Holborn County: London RESULT 2 : Name: John Thomas Bailey Baptism Date: 1800 Parent 1: John Bailey Parent 2: Hannah Bailey Parish: St. Andrew Holborn County: London Will carry on with other searches now Regards Lesley