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Lesley Would you be kind enough to give me the 1861 Amos Charles living with Thomas and Sarah and anyone else who was there, please. I just want to establish that there were 2 Amos's and see if I can find the connection. Thanks loads. Kath

PAULINE have found a John in 1871 but he with different woman and kids... could he have re-married? lesley

PAULINE Here is 1871 but no John on it. ADDRESS: 21 Adelaide Street Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image Annas Parkinson abt 1838 Burton, Westmorland, England Head UNMARRIED OCC;Charwoman Richard Parkinson abt 1857 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Son UNMARRIED OCC:Cotton (Creeler???) William Parkinson abt 1859 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Son OCC: Cotton (Doffer??) Civil Parish or Township: Lancaster Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Lancaster County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Source information: RG10/4232 Registration district: Lancaster Sub-registration district: Lancaster ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 91 Page: 17 I will go look for John Lesley

KATHRYN The 1861/1871 Amos is with Thomas & Sarah Lesley

Hi Lesley If you get a chance could you please see if you can find a baptism for Mary Chilvers in Oxford (the Longwall area) around 1795. I'm also interested in her parents so if you can see a marriage for a John Chilvers (possibly to a Mary) in the same area presumably prior to 1795 that would be great. Many thanks for your time and assistance. Kind regards Helen

Hello Lesley I have just read your follow up message posted last night, where you have found a John and Annas Parkinson in Lancaster 1861. I didn’t see this last night, as I’d signed off before you sent it. These names looks more promising. Can I now ask you another favour? Can you see if you can find this family somewhere in 1871. There might be a clue for me. Many thanks. Pauline

Hi again Lesley Do you have an Amos CHARLES on the 1861 and 1871? I have him on the 1861 with William and Maria and 1871 with Thomas and Sarah. Do you have Amos on the 1861 with Thomas and Sarah? Maybe there were 2 Amos CHARLES's of the same age in West Dean!!! Help!!! Kath

Your welcome Kathryn. Thats why I couldnt find a Frederick lol If you need any other look ups feel free to ask me and I will see what I can do... Happy hunting Regards Lesley

Thankyou Lesley for the information you provided re. Amos CHARLES. I have only recently discovered Amos and Frederick in the 1861 census, they were the children of my great great grandparents William and Maria CHARLES. They are not listed with them in the 1871 and I thought they may have died but then discovered Amos living with Thomas and Sarah CHARLES (as their son) and Frederick living with the Edmunds family in 1871. They appear to be the right ages but are they the same boys I wonder? Maybe they have been taken in by somebody else, possibly unofficially adopted I wonder? I suppose I'd better find their birth or marriage certificates to verify if their father was William and their mother Maria. I find it really exciting all this detective work!!! Thanks for helping me. Much appreciated Kath Kath

VIVEKA I have found 1861 & 1871 for John & Harriett Dont know if you already have it. So the birth yrs you gave where right. Do you have it already? Lesley

VIVEKA. This is her Birth?? Name: Jane Frances Denness, Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1853 District: Isle of Wight County: Hampshire Isle of Wight Volume: 2b Page: 460 Lesley

VIVEKA This COULD? be his birth I searched b:1845 +/- 10 yrs 3 results this is them. Name: PHILLIPS, John Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1845 District: Isle of Wight County: Hampshire Isle of Wight Volume: 8 Page: 230 Name: PHILLIPS, John Reynolds Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1845 District: Isle of Wight County: Hampshire Isle of Wight Volume: 8 Page: 209 Name: Phillips, John Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1852 District: Isle of Wight County: Hampshire Isle of Wight Volume: 2b Page: 73 Nothing coming up on Pallots Baptism for either. Lesley

VIVEKA This could be the marriage Name Year Quarter Record Type District County Name: DENNESS, Frances Jane Name: Phillips, John Record Type: Marriages Quarter: September Year: 1874 District: Isle of Wight County: Hampshire Isle of Wight Volume: 2b Page: 878 Although wifes surname is different than you put they regularly had different spelling variations Lesley

Hi Lesley, Thank you for look up regards June

JUNE this on is only one b:1863 +/- 2yrs Liverpool 1891 England Census ADDRESS: 33 Bute Street. Everton Liverpool. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County View Image Hughes, William E abt 1863 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head OCC: House Painter. Married but wife not on census. Hughes, Lucy E abt 1887 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Hughes, Alfred abt 1889 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Hughes, Lily abt 1890 Liverpool, Lancashire,England Daughter Civil parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Ambrose Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Source information: RG12/2944 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: South Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 29 Page: 52 Lesley

KATHRYN I have looked for Frederick Charles and I cant find him on any census's. He is not on Family one in 1861 or 1871 or any others... Are you sure you got the name right? I can give you 1861/1871 family if you want it? Lesley

Hi Lesley, Please could you look for any marriage details for a John Phillips born abt 1835 in Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight and Harriett (i think) Dennis born abt 1834 in Newport, Isle of Wight. Not sure if there would be any reference to any family members? Also if you could find their birth details? Best Regards Viveka

KATHRYN here is 1891 for Amos Charles, Amos abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire Charles, Martha Agnes abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire Charles, Sarah abt 1883 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Charles, Jasper abt 1886 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire Charles, Roland W abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire Charles, Ann Priscilla abt 1891 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire Civil parish: West Dean Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Oldcroft County/Island: Gloucestershire Source information: RG12/4338 Registration district: Monmouth Sub registration district: Coleford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 138 Page: 14 Lesley

THELMA I have found a birth but middle name not Ellen Name: Holmes, Sarah Ann Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1870 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 272 Stoke upon Trent Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1922 (incorporated into Stoke and Wolstanton district. Sub-districts : Fenton; Hanley; Lane End; Longton; Shelton; Stoke upon Trent; Stoke Rural. GRO volumes : XVII (1837-51), 6b (1852-1922). Bagnall (1837-1907), Boothen, Botteshow, Bucknall, Bucknall Eaves, Clayton (1837-96), East Vale (from 1896), Fenton, Florence (from 1896), Hanley, Lane End, LONGTON, normacot (from 1896), Penkhull, Seabridge, Shelton, Stoke upon Trent. Registers now divided between Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire Moorlands and Newcastle under Lyme districts. the other births were not until 1871 again middle names Ann. Lesley

ELAINE found this 1.... Name: Hodson, William Henry Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1838 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 549 Manchester Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1925 (incorporated into Manchester North district). Sub-districts : Ancoats; Blackley; Central; Cheetham; Deansgate; Failsworth; London Road; Market Street; Newton; Prestwich; St. George. GRO volumes : XX (1837-51); 8d (1852-1924). Beswick (1837-74), Blackley (1837-74), Bradford (1837-74), Cheetham (1837-74), Clayton (1837-74), Crumpsall (1837-74), Failsworth (1837-74), Great Heaton (1837-74), Harpurhey (1837-74), Little Heaton (1837-74), Manchester, Moston (1837-74), Newton (1837-74), Prestwich (1837-74). Registers now divided between Manchester, Oldham, Bury and Bolton districts. Lesley