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Hi Lesley, Thank you for your very kind offer. I would really appreciate any help in finding Arthur Masters in the 1861 Census. He was born about 1810 in Hampshire, probably Southampton. In 1841 he was in Damerham on the Wiltshire border, with his wife Charlotte and sons John and Charles. They then vanished! I had no luck with the 1851 Census for Hampshire or Wiltshire. Please could you look in 1861 for Arthur / Arthur William Masters aged about 50, his wife Charlotte of similar age or John aged 24 or Charles aged 22. Thank you for your time, Jeff

I will keep that in mind, thank you I will keep you updated Keeley

KEELEY It is possible though that Enoch was actually Christened with a different first name but was known by Family Members as Enoch..... My Dad's Aunty was always called Aunty Ginny....they all thought that was her name until I found her and found out it was JANE.... Let me know how you get on... Good luck.... Sorry I cant find Enoch.. Lesley :~)

lol, Ive been stumped for quite a while, my grandad is absolutley certain his first name was Enoch, so I shall continue with that name for the time being. Thank you very much for looking Keeley

LOUISE Glad I could help :~) Im not going anywhere so when you need another look up just shout Lesley :~)

KEELEY If you rememeber I found 1 birth for Enoch...Thomas Enoch b:c1877 Wakefield Yorkshire.... The only real way of finding out if this is your Enoch is to get one of his daughters Birth Certificates...It should then say his name...if its Thomas Enoch Or Just Enoch.... I have looked on all Census's for Enoch but cant find him...all the birth years / Places are wrong.... I dont know what else to suggest??? Maybe you could put a thread on Tips Board asking for advice..coz im stumped lol SORRY Lesley :~(

Thanks Lesley that's great and you're right it is Herbert's parents, they had a huge family 14 children, I'm just trying to find their various marriages. You've been a big help, thank you I'll be back.... ;-)

lol, really just to make sure am getting the facts right about Enoch's mother and father, because i'm new to this, I dont know wehter the things I have found out are right. It would be a great help if you could Thanks Keeley

KEELEY Sorry but what is it you want me to check up on? Head a bit mushy with all these look ups need to be a bit clearer with what you want lol Lesley :~)

JOHN & CIDER You are welcome If you need anything else just shout and I will gladly take a look for you Lesley :~)

LOUISE This is Herbert in 1901 with his Wife & Daughter. ADDRESS:4 Cage lane Cottages.Heacham.Norfolk. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Herbert Alcock abt 1877 Heacham, Norfolk, England Head OCC:Bricklayers Labourer. Sarah Alcock abt 1881 Titchwell, Norfolk, England Wife May Alcock abt 1900 & months old. Heacham, Norfolk, England Daughter Civil parish: Heacham Ecclesiatical parish: Heacham St Mary Town: Heacham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Source information: RG13/1882 Registration district: Docking Sub-registration district: Snettisham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 16 Page: 24 *********************** These are living 2 doors away think this could be Herberts Parents & Siblings. ADDRESS:2 Cage Lane Cottages.Heacham.Norfolk Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Matthew Alcock abt 1841 Ringstead, Norfolk, England Head OCC:General Labourer. >>>Mary Alcock abt 1844 Heacham, Norfolk, England Wife Clement Alcock abt 1875 Heacham, Norfolk, England Son OCC:General Labourer Violet Alcock abt 1886 Heacham, Norfolk, England Daughter Miriam Alcock abt 1898 Harpley Dams, Norfolk, England Granddaughter Civil parish: Heacham Ecclesiatical parish: Heacham St Mary Town: Heacham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Source information: RG13/1882 Registration district: Docking Sub-registration district: Snettisham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 16 Page: 24 ********************* This is Herberts Marriage Name: Sarah Amelia Rudd, TO: Name: Herbert Alcock, Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1900 District: Docking County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 553 Hope these help Lesley :~)

Hi Lesley After searching for Enoch Allen and his family members. I have found this so far, I found it on the 1891 census, Father - Thomas Allen abt 1824 Mother - Mary Allen abt 1830 Daughter - Mary Allen abt 1884 Son - Enoch Allen abt 1865 All these people look to have been living in Staffordshire. the parish beiing Walsall Foreign. I was just wondering if you would check up on this so I know that I am heading in the right direction with the family. Thanks Keeley

hello lesley been of for a few days i would like to thank you for all the work you have put in on my lookups i will be forever gratefull THANK YOU JOHN

Hi Lesly can you look at 1901 census for me? Herbert Alcock b. 1876 Heasham, Norfolk and his wife married 1899 can you tell me where she was born? Thanks alot :-)

Lesley, The big question is where . I have been on family search all this morning trying to find Charles on the 1881 , I even tried leaving out the surname and checking every Charles . Still nothing . thanks for all your time and effort Cath

CATHERINE I seem to be as stuck as you will your Hills. lol There are no others showing born scotland :~( He's Hiding SOMEWHERE...BUT WHERE lol Lesley :~)

Hi Lesley, Thank, but they mostly seem to be called Thomas, William or David! Argh... Michael

No Problem Brian I was sure I had sent you a reply I was just looking through previous messages myself and found your message & my reply.. You will soon get the hang of it dont worry.... There are plenty of lovely people on here that will help and point you in the right direction. Sorry I couldnt help you this time but if you need anything else just ask and I will take a look for you Good luck in your search Lesley :~)

LOUISE Here is Sarah's Birth Name: Sarah Derry, Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1848 District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire Staffordshire West Midlands Volume: 17 Page: 389 Wolverhampton Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Staffordshire, but included part of Shropshire. Sub-districts : Bilston; Kinver (Kinfare); Tettenhall; >>>WILLENHALL;<<< Wolverhampton Eastern; Wolverhampton Western, Wombourne. GRO volumes : XVII (1837-51); 6b (1852-1930). Bilston, Bobbington, Codsall, Enville, Heathtown, Himley, Kinver, Lower Penn, Pattingham, Seisdon, Short Heath, Swindon, Tettenhall, Trysull, Upper Penn, Wednesfield,>>>WILLENHALL<<<, Wolverhampton, Wombourn, Woodford Grange, Wrottesley. Registers now divided between Wolverhampton, South Staffordshire and Bridgnorth districts ************************************ This is Sarah with her MOTHER and many Siblings 1861 ADDRESS: Looks like Hamilton Road. Wednesfield. Staffordshire. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Phoebe Derry abt 1813 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head. Widow. John Derry abt 1840 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son. OCC:Iron Roller Job Derry abt 1842 Portobello, Staffordshire, England Son. OCC:Railway Porter. Mary A Derry abt 1846 Portobello, Staffordshire, England Daughter.Scholar George Derry abt 1846 Portobello, Staffordshire, England Son. OCC:Gas Fitter >>>Sarah Derry abt 1849 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter. Scholar Phoebe Derry abt 1850 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter. Scholar Clara Derry abt 1855 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter. Scholar. Civil parish: Wednesfield Ecclesiatical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Source information: RG9/2003 Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Willenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Folio: 40 Page: 3 Hope this helps. Lesley :~)

Lesley , bad news again don,t think that one is mine either as all the hills were coal miners .and robert was born old monkland lanarkshire . Cath