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Hi Lesley Thanks for the info its now 01.04am and im feeling very sleepy, i got carried away with researching, i will look through them later 2 day, once again thanks Lesley

Right im off too bed now Goodnight I will continue with searches tomorrow lesley :~)

DIANE I found Martha Jane's Birth in 1859 and this is the only Marriage showing for that name But Husband is wrong. I searched 1878+/-10 yrs Name Year Quarter Record Type District County 1888 December Marriages Bedwelty Monmouthshire Name: HOPKINS, Martha Jane Name: JENKINS, Gwilym There are loads of John Morgans married in Bedwelty too many to search through Im sorry... It would take hours to search through all John Morgans Lesley :~(

LESLEY This is the only Peter in 1881 b:c1853. I think this is Peter in 1881 Lodging with this family. ADDRESS:3 Charles St, Openshaw, Lancashire, England Thomas Allen abt 1848 Helstonfield, Staffordshire, England Head OCC:carter. Mary Ann Allen abt 1844 Broadwindsor, Dorset, England Wife >>>Peter Joynson abt 1854 Swanderlane, Cheshire, England Lodger OCC:Carter.Unmarried. Source information: RG11/3907 Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 62 Folio: 91 Page: 30 ******************************* This is Peter in 1891 with His Wife ADDRESS:Openshaw Lancashire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Joynson, Peter abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Head OCC:Carter Joynson, Elizabeth abt 1853 Stockport, Cheshire, England Wife Civil parish: Openshaw Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Source information: RG12/3177 Registration district: Chorlton Sub registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 74 Folio: 56 Page: 10 ******************************* This is Peter With His Wife.1901 & Also His brother Fredrick & His family Living with them. ADDRESS:3 Charles Street. South Manchester Lancashire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Peter Joynson abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Head OCC:Carter In Iron Works. Elizabeth Joynson abt 1854 Stockport, Cheshire, England Wife >>>Frederick Joynson abt 1871 Weaver, Cheshire, England Brother.OCC:labourer in Works Mill. Susanah Joynson abt 1876 Ardwick, Lancashire, England Wife Elizabeth Joynson abt 1897 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Niece Peter Joynson abt 1899 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Nephew Civil parish: South Manchester Ecclesiatical parish: Openshaw St Barnabas and St Luke County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Source information: RG13/3679 Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Folio: 126 Page: 25 Hope this is ok for you Lesley :~)

LESLEY lol I agree... I think this is Peters birth Name: JOYNSON, Peter Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1853 District: Northwich County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: __ ******************* This is Peter with his Parents & Siblings. in 1861 ADDRESS:??? Lane. Weaver Cheshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Joynson abt 1825 Stanlow, Cheshire, England Head.OCC:Salt Maker Ellen Joynson abt 1829 Northwood, Cheshire, England Wife >>>Peter Joynson abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son William Joynson abt 1856 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Thomas Joynson abt 1857 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son George Joynson abt 1860 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Civil parish: Weaver Ecclesiatical parish: Chester Town: Chester County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Source information: RG9/2605 Registration district: Northwich Sub-registration district: Over ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 99 Page: 28 *************************** This is Family in 1871 ADDRESS:??? Lane. Weaver Cheshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Joynson abt 1824 Over, Cheshire, England Head.OCC:Salt Maker. Ellen Joynson abt 1827 Anderley, Shropshire, England Wife Peter Joynson abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son OCC:Labourer George Joynson abt 1860 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Ellen Joynson abt 1863 Weaver, Cheshire, England Daughter John Joynson abt 1865 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Henry Joynson abt 1868 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Fredrick Joynson abt 1870 Age 3 Months old. Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Civil Parish or Township: Weaver Ecclesiastical parish: Middlewich Town: Weaver County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Source information: RG10/3698 Registration district: Northwich Sub-registration district: Over ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 130 Page: 20 Be back in a mo with more Lesley :~)

Hi Lesley could you be so kind as to look up a Peter Joynson Born around 1853/4 cheshire, i know he had a brother called Fredrick who was born around 1870/1, Peter he married a Elizaberth, grateful for any leads Thanks Lesley (good name)

Hi Lesley, thanks so much for the info, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've had a house full all weekend. Thanks again, Tina

ROSALYN This is only 1 on 1861 b:c1857 ADDRESS:30 ??? Square.Hackney road. Bethnal Green Middlesex Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Hicks abt 1823 Holborn, Middlesex, England Head.OCC:House Painter Mary Hicks abt 1828 Galway, Ireland Wife William Hicks abt 1854 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Marianne Hicks abt 1856 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Daughter >>>Harriett Hicks abt 1858 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter Elizabeth Hicks abt 1861 1 Month old. Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiatical parish: St Peter County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: RG9/252 Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Hackney Road ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Folio: 141 Page: 38 I hope this is her? Lesley :~)

Just checked IGI again -couldn`t find her but she`s on 1881 census -her name seems to be spelt HARRIETT. Thanks, Rosalyn

Thanks, Lesley. I have her born 1858 in Hackney, Middlesexfrom IGI site I know not always accurate. Rosalyn

ROSALYN there are 2 Harriets in 1861 b:1857 Middlesex 1) father John... Mother Mary both born Wales...living Bromley Middlesex. 2) Father Joseph..Mother Mary both born kent living Shadwell Middlesex... Do you know which 1 it could be? I have done an open search For Harriet leaving surname off b:c1858 Hackney and none are showing with name similar to Hicks. Lesley :~)

Do you have MIDDLESEX CENSUS 1861? If you do could you look up HARRIET HICKS` family in Hackney-she would be 3. Thanks, Rosalyn

Im sat Twiddling again lol TWIDDLE TWIDDLE Lesley :~)

lol Louise Its ok sorry I cant help you this time Lesley :~)

Derrr! Sorry silly me, getting carried away with your generousity. I'll see if theres another line I can hassle you with.....! No seriously you've been a real boon to me and my tree. Thank you

LOUISE Im sorry but not got access to any 41/51 Census's Sorry lesley :~(

Evening Loopy Leslie! Can you look at the 1851/1841 census for me please? I'm looking for the Derry family in Staffordshire. Its really the father I'm after. On 1861 Phoebe Derry b1813 Dudley, Worc (widow) son John b1840 Job Mary A George Sarah Phoebe Clara b1855 All born in various places in Staffordshire. Ta very much Louise

Does anybody need anything looking up? JUST SHOUT lol Lesley :~)

KAZ I have done an open search for Henry 1871 and none were born similar yrs/place... As for birth places on Census's for different yrs...they regularly altered the place of birth...It is best to go by Occupation and other family members & follow them through the Census yrs that way.... Also they changed birth yrs aswell so you have to be careful when searching as they can change quite a bit from census to Census.. Have fun with all your new family members lol If you need anything else just shout me Lesley :~)

Thanks so much Lesley for your time doing these look ups. Always knew there must be a publican of sorts in the family - thanks for the Deeming info I certainly have a lot to go on Ta! It is definitely Henry's family and I know Henry died in 1877. Its a shame they aren't on 1871 unless they were in cannock area where Henry died. Henry's father John says b Isle of Man but earlier census says worcs are the later ones more accurate? I'm not sure because 1881 says William b handsworth and I know he wasn't. Oh well it's a tricky busness this genealogy. Many thanks again Best wishes Kaz