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Lesley, Thankyou for looking for the BATE/CASE marriage, I will look into what you have found. Best wishes, Annette

HI Lesley. Could you please do a census 1871 look up please.(or any that shows him with his parents). Thomas Curtis bn 1867 in yorkshire. 1901 census shows him living at 20 herschell street, Leicester. He was a hairdresser. I am looking for Thomas' parents if possible. thanks deb :-)

DEBORAH This looks like Thomas's Birth? Name: CURTIS, Thomas Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1866 District: Ecclesall Bierlow County: Derbyshire West Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9c Page: 284 **************************************** This looks like his Marriage? 1895 March Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire Name:Bryson, Annie Elizabeth Name:>>>Curtis, Thomas Name:>>>Marvin, Mary Name:Pett, William 1895 March Marriages Caistor Lincolnshire Name:Stafford, Arthur Bruckshaw ************************************* Give me a minute I am just getting Census info Lesley :~)

HI Lesley. The marriage details. His wife is mary marvin, but who are the other people listed, i dont understand! sorry Deb :-)

Hi Lesley sorry - I was so wrapped up in census stuff I forgot to say what I was looking for (doh) Christopher Benn 1871 census please Kents Bank, Nr Grange over Sands Lancashire Robert Short - Dearham - there will be two of them and if you have 1861 and 1871 that would be smashing. and any chance of trying to find a Richard Benn in 1861 census? he born c1821 in Westmorland but I can't find him althought he was mentioned in his fathers will that was proved 1861. many thanks for your help cheers Trish :)

DEBORAH 1871 for Thomas with Parents & Siblings ADDRESS:106 Langrett? Road.Nether Hallam.Yorkshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship James Curtis abt 1841 H??side, Lincolnshire, England Head Jane Curtis abt 1840 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife James Curtis abt 1866 Conisborough, Yorkshire, England Son >>>Thomas Curtis abt 1868 Conisborough, Yorkshire, England Son Infant Curtis abt 1871 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Lucy Harrisson abt 1856 Conisborough, Yorkshire, England Sister-in-law Civil Parish or Township: Nether Hallam Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip Town: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Source information: RG10/4663 Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Folio: 4 Page: 8 ************************************** 1881 Census for Thomas with his parents & Siblings ADDRESS:54 Fentonville St, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, England Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship James Curtis abt 1841 Haxey, Lincoln, England Head OCC:Tram Car Driver Jane Curtis abt 1840 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife James Curtis abt 1866 Conisbro, Yorkshire, England Son OCC:Tram Car Conductor. >>>Thomas Curtis abt 1868 Conisbro, Yorkshire, England Son Scholar. Ellen E. Curtis abt 1871 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Scholar. William E. Curtis abt 1874 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Scholar. Sidney Curtis abt 1880 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Civil parish: Ecclesall Bierlow County/Island: Yorkshire Source information: RG11/4638 Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 51 Folio: 105 Page: 29 ****************************************** 1891 for Thomas Boarding. ADDRESS: St Margaret Leicestershire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Curtis, Thomas abt 1866 Yorkshire, England Boarder.OCC:Hairdresser. Civil parish: St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges County/Island: Leicestershire Source information: RG12/2529 Registration district: Leicester Sub registration district: East Leicester ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Folio: 5 Page: 4 ************************************** Hope this helps sorry it took so long my PC is on a go slow going to have to re-boot it Lesley :~)

DEBORAH The other names on the marriage is just the other people on the same page that got married same Day/Place. You can ignore them sorry I shouldnt have put them on.. Lesley :~)

Thank Loopy I hate to tell you after all your searching but thats not my James and Elizabeth Brown. You see I have the other childrens names and thers no Walter or Rose, but there is Caleb, Jacob, Fanny, David, Rhoda ranging from 1847 to 1860. Don't know what to?

Hi Lesley. Thank you very much. You have been a great help. Very much appreciated deb :-)

PATRICIA Now its me going to be a pain lol What are the birth yrs for Christopher Benn & Both Robert Shorts...?? Thanxs Lesley :~)

Hi Lesley no problems - you are helping me. Christopher Benn born c 1823 Robert Short snr born c 1815 Robert Short jnr born c 1844 cheers Trish

PATRICIA 1861 For Robert Short b:c1815 ADDRESS: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Robert Short abt 1816 Ellenborough, Cumberland, England Head OCC:Coal Miner. Ann Short abt 1819 Gilcrux, Cumberland, England Wife Mary Ann Short abt 1848 Dearham, Cumberland, England Daughter John Short abt 1851 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son Civil parish: Dearham County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Source information: RG9/3943 Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Maryport ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 21 Page: 36 ************************************* 1871 for same family ADDRESS:Dearham Cumberland Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Robert Short abt 1816 Dearham, Cumberland, England Head OCC:Pit Oreman Ann Short abt 1819 Gilcrux, Cumberland, England Wife John Short abt 1851 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son OCC: Coal Miner Civil Parish or Township: Dearham Town: Dearham County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Source information: RG10/5248 Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Maryport ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 23 Page: 40 I will get other now for you Lesley :~)

Lesley many thanks. you are quick! Trish :)

PATRICIA 1881 for Same Family ADDRESS:Craika Ter Cottage, Dearham, Cumberland, Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Robert Short abt 1816 Ellenborough, Cumberland, England Head OCC:Colliery Manager Ann Short abt 1819 Gilcrux, Cumberland, England Wife Ann Short abt 1871 Dearham, Cumberland, England Granddaughter Civil parish: Dearham County/Island: Cumberland Source information: RG11/5181 Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Maryport ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 33 Page: 32 *********************************** I cant find Robert or his Wife on any further census's *********************************** I think this is Roberts Death? Name: SHORT, Robert Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 72 Quarter: September Year: 1888 District: Cockermouth County: Cumbria Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 318 *********************************** This Could be His Wife's Death? Name: Short, Ann Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 71 Quarter: June Year: 1889 District: Cockermouth County: Cumbria Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 373 I will be back in a mo with the rest if I can find them Lesley :~) ******************************** Dearham comes under Cockermouth District.

Hi Lesley I'm going to log off now and sort the dog for his late night abulsions. thanks for looking. I'll tune in tomorrow for the rest. BIG THANKS Trish :)

PATRICIA 1871 for other Robert Short b;c1844 ADDRESS:Outgang.Dearham Cumberland Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Robert Short Junr. abt 1845 Dearham, Cumberland, England Head OCC:Coal Miner Jane Short abt 1845 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Wife Catharine Short abt 1865 Oaghterside, Cumberland, England Daughter Ann Short abt 1870 Dearham, Cumberland, England Daughter Isabella McArr abt 1866 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Stepdaughter Civil Parish or Township: Dearham Town: Dearham County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Source information: RG10/5248 Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Maryport ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 24 Page: 42 ******************************** 1891 for same family. ADDRESS:Outgang.Dearham.Cumberland. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Short, Robert abt 1845 Dearham, Cumberland, England Head OCC:Coal Miner Short, Jane abt 1842 Dearham, Cumberland, England Wife Short, Ann abt 1871 Dearham, Cumberland, England Daughter OCC:Coal Miner??? thats what it says. Short, William abt 1872 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son OCC:Driver Short, Richard abt 1876 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son OCC:Labourer at Pottery. Short, Robert H abt 1878 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son Scholar Short, Jane abt 1881 Dearham, Cumberland, England Daughter Scholar Short, Joseph abt 1884 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son Scholar Short, John abt 1886 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son Scholar. Civil parish: Dearham Ecclesiastical parish: Dearham Town: Dearham County/Island: Cumberland Source information: RG12/4310 Registration district: Cockermouth Sub registration district: Maryport ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 12 Page: 18 *************************** will be back with Christopher Benn If I can find anything on him Lesley :~)

PATRICIA 1901 for Robert b:1844 ADDRESS:Outgang.Dearham Cumberland Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Robert Short abt 1845 Dearham, Cumberland, England Head OCC:Coal Miner Jane Short abt 1842 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Wife John Short abt 1886 Dearham, Cumberland, England Son OCC:Horse Driver Underground...im assuming in coal mines.. Isabella Short abt 1892 Dearham, Cumberland, England Granddaughter Civil parish: Dearham Ecclesiatical parish: Dearham Town: Dearham County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Source information: RG13/4886 Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Maryport ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Folio: 145 Page: 30 ************************************ Lesley :~)

PATRICIA 1871 For Richard Benn Lodging with this Family. ADDRESS:Market Place. Market Weighton. Yorkshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Harding abt 1816 Worcestershire, England Head OCC:Boot/Shoe Maker Elizabeth Harding abt 1818 Weighton, Yorkshire, England Wife Frances Boynton abt 1811 Weighton, Yorkshire, England Sister-in-law OCC:Dressmaker.Widow >>>Richard Benn abt 1821 Lowker, Westmorland, England Lodger OCC:I Cant read it sorry. Married? Civil Parish or Township: Market Weighton Town: Market Weighton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Source information: RG10/4760 Registration district: Pocklington Sub-registration district: Market Weighton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 28 Page: 22 ************************************ Cant find any other info for him sorry :~( Lesley :~)

PATRICIA I have found 1 Christopher Benn b:c1823 but Born Westmorland Not Grange oversands Lancashire He is living in Wales in 1861 census & 1891 census both in Anglesey. On 1861 he is Boarding with a family and on 1891 he is the Head with his Wife:Jane...& 1 Son Richard & 1 Daughter Emily. Let me know if you think that could be him & I will get the info for you Lesley :~)

LOUISE I wish you had told me the childrens names before it has made it so much easier to find them this time. Here is 1861 For James Brown ADDRESS:Beam?? House.Brook Street.Stotfold.Bedfordshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>James Brown abt 1818 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Head OCC:Farm Labourer Elizabeth Brown abt 1824 London City Wife OCC:Straw Plaiter Emilia Brown abt 1846 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Daughter OCC:Straw Plaiter Caleb Brown abt 1847 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Son OCC:Farm Labourer Fanny Brown abt 1849 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Daughter OCC:Straw Plaiter Jacob Brown abt 1848 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Son OCC:Farm Labourer David Brown abt 1855 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Son Scholar Rodah Brown abt 1860 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Daughter Civil parish: Stotfold County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Source information: RG9/998 Registration district: Biggleswade Sub-registration district: Biggleswade ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 69 Page: 12 *********************************** 1871 ADDRESS:Brook Street. Stotfold Bedfordshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>James Brown abt 1828 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Head OCC:Ag Lab Elizabeth Brown abt 1824 London, Middlesex, England Wife OCC:Straw Plaiter Jacob Brown abt 1849 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Son OCC:Ag Lab David Brown abt 1856 Stotfold, Bedfordshire, England Son OCC:Ag Lab Rhoda Brown abt 1860 Baldock, Hertfordshire, England Daughter OCC:Straw Plaiter Civil Parish or Township: Stotfold Town: Stotfold County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Source information: RG10/1552 Registration district: Biggleswade Sub-registration district: Biggleswade ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 92 Page: 18 ********************************** Hope these help Lesley :~)