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Also in 1861 James France abt 1821 Blackrod, Lancashire, England Head Heskin Lancashire Catharine France abt 1817 Heskin, Lancashire, England Wife Heskin Lancashire Thomas Wignall abt 1837 Charnock Richard, Lancashire, England Stepson Heskin Lancashire James Cheetham abt 1846 Charnock Richard, Lancashire, England Stepson Heskin Lancashire Margaret Cheetham abt 1848 Heskin, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Heskin Lancashire Joseph Frances abt 1853 Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England Son Heskin Lancashire Alice Frances abt 1857 Heskin, Lancashire, England Daughter Heskin Lancashire Mary E Frances abt 1861 Heskin, Lancashire, England Daughter Heskin Lancashire Maureen

So at least that clears up Thomas Wignall's relationship to Catherine France - she wasn't what we call a mother-in-law today, i.e. she wasn't his wife's mother. I had a look through the GRO indexes 1870 to 1872 but couldn't find a marriage between Mary (Ann) Heslop and a Moore, though I must admit I didn't look at alternative spellings. Kate.

Hi Maureen, It is just possible that Mary Ann Heslop nee Wynn /Winroe did not marry Mr Moore, but named herself Moore/ Moor because of her son. Have been looking for Sarah Jane and Thomas on the 1871, where oh where can they be!!!! Will still keep my eyes open !! Regards Vera

HI 1871 census I don't know if this is worth anything but I found this young girl with a surname that doesn't match at all to any you have mentioned but the head fo the house has his married Daughter with them for the 1871 census Elizabeth Allen abt 1857 Thornley, Durham, England Daughter Wingate Durham Hannah Allen abt 1855 Thornley, Durham, England Daughter Wingate Durham Hector Allen abt 1863 Ryhope, Durham, England Son Wingate Durham James Allen abt 1859 Thornley, Durham, England Son Wingate Durham John W Allen abt 1866 Ryhope, Durham, England Son Wingate Durham Ligher Allen abt 1853 South Wales Son Wingate Durham Sarah Allen abt 1814 South Wales Wife Wingate Durham Sarah j allen abt 1866 Ryhope, Durham, England Daughter Wingate Durham William Allen abt 1807 Shuckiale, Durham, England Head Wingate Durham JANE HESLOP abt 1844 South Wales Daughter Wingate Durham Wendy

Hi Kate, Yep I know and this is so frustrating.. I just cannot get off the ground with this at all.. I am going to Library tomorrow so will have a look and see if it was'nt sent to GRO ! Maureen

Hi Vera You were one of the first ones to try and solve this one when I asked last October and still have nothing to go on... Well if you can call it nothing.. Lol. Maureen

Hi Wendy I have'nt seen that entry but will log in now and have a look at it. Thanks Will let you know in a moment Maureen

Hi Wendy Looks like this Sarah J Allen is one of Twins when looking at the census image.. Maureen

Hi Jonathan With not being able to find Sarah with parents .. Well rather Just mother. I have no idea as to if the Thomas and Isabel Heslop are William's parents or whether they are brother and sister of William.. Plus I have no record of any birthplaces. To be able to check the all the census entries for Thomas and Isabel. I have trawled through every William Heslop in Durham in 1861 and cannot say that yes that is him them .... They are driving me potty. Maureen.. I'll be in touch early next week with some info.. you know what I am on about.. Speak then. Maureen

If Mary (Ann) started lying about her age early on, this could be her baptism: MARY ANNE WINROW Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 11 JUN 1837 Teversall, Nottingham, England Death: Burial: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Parents: Father: THOMAS WINROW Family Mother: SARAH The father's name matches one of her fathers! And note mother's name is Sarah. I wonder if we can find them on any censuses... Kate.

Yes... in 1841 there is a Sarah Winrow at Teversall with 2 children Ann age 4 and George age 2. This is looking promising! Kate.

Kate how have you managed to find her on the 1841 I had seen that baptism on IGI but the age is so out.. Maureen

Maureen, I had a look on British Origins for the 1841. I agree the birthdate is way out, but as she knocked years off her age on later censuses (her age goes from 38 in 1881 to 44 in 1891), perhaps she knocked some years off when she married William Heslop so she would be younger than him instead of older? That marriage that Johnathan found between Robert Moore and Mary A. Heslop looks good! I'm just having a look to see if it helps with the 1871... in the meantime, how about this death: Deaths Jun 1871 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Moore Robert 27 Stockton 10a 52 Kate.

I checked those Teversall Winrows out at the Notts Archives, and I hope you don't mind me saying that apart from the discrepancy in age, they look just like I would expect Mary Ann's family to be - totally confusing!!! Baptism at Teversall church 11th June 1837 - Mary Ann, Dr. of Thomas and Sarah Winrow, abode Fackley Lane, occupation labourer. Can't find a marriage between Thomas and Sarah at Teversall. 1841 census Fackley Lane, Teversall: Sarah Winrow 24 (?) Seamstress Y Ann Do 4 Y George Do 2 Y No Thomas Winrow in Teversall. Can't find George's baptism. There is a baptism at Teversall 7th March 1842 of Hannah Winrow, illegitimate daughter of Sarah Winrow, abode Teversal Fackley Lane, occupation labourer's wife. The 1851 census of Teversall has this entry for Fackley Lane: Ann Spittlehouse Head Widow Stocking Seamer NottsTeversall Mary Ann Winrow Granddaughter 13 Do Do Ruth Temperton Granddaughter 3 Derbys Halt Hucknall Sorry I forgot to note down Ann's age but I think it was 60 or 61. There was a marriage at Teversall 7th Aug 1821 between John Spittlehouse widower and Ann Cupit spinster, witnesses James Cupit and Sarah Hickton. I couldn't find a baptism for a Sarah Spittlehouse or Cupit, though. Do you see what I mean? Just like looking for Sarah Jane, isn't it? I'm sorry to say that as I'm sure you know, Winrow is one of those names that always gets mistranscribed - for example, Mary Ann's name on the 1851 above was listed as Winson on the Nottinghamshire Family History Society Index. Doesn't help, does it? Anyway, if this is her family, it is going to take you a long time to unravel it all!! Kate.

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but I have been to Library. So Apologies.. Yes Jonathan I have come across that marriage today.. would'nt care but I had checked Durham website for that marriage.. Hrmmm Kate..... Talk about confusing.. I think I maybe should put her in a box and leave her in there Lol.. Seal it up and bury her and all the paperwork that goes with her ...Lol Oh My.. So that at least rules out an 1870-1 Death for William Heslop.. Makes me wonder if she has been a Mary Ann Cotton... Lol. At least 3 marriages in 7 years.. married in October 1866 William Heslop married in 1868 Robert Moore married in 1873 Thomas Wignall Where on earth do I go from here.. I'll give the register office a ring and see if they will pull out that book and see if they will tell me if this Mary A Heslop is Widow, with father Thomas... Durham Central are not too accomadating with that sort of search.. Thanks so much Kate for the rest of the info on Mary Ann. Will have a trawl through and see whats what. I can always keep it for future reference see if I can get past this... I maybe should start to look outside the box.... or from a different Angle.. Thanks Johnathon.. Thanks again Kate.. She's playing very hard to get.... Keeping an open mind

Maureen, don't forget she gave her father's name as George when she married Thomas Wignall, so who knows what father's name she may have given when she married Mr. Moore?! Kate.

Well Kate, Jonathan and who else cares to put in some advice!! I have just been onto the register office at Durham... No No No........ The Robert Moore and Mary A Heslop marriage is not the right one.. She is not a widow.. she does not Give Thomas or George Winroe //w for her fathers name.... Maureen with less hair than I had.... Pulling it out bit by bit Argggghhhhhhhh

Tracey in Teeside Want a puzzle solving... Well how about this one........ She is literally driving me nuts.. Maureen

When I get my head round all this info, I'll see what I can do lol

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