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Hi Tracy, What can I say!!! Except a HUGE thank you. You've solved my mystery. All the information you have supplied me is fantastic, thanks for that. I shall certainly look up the birth cert. Thanks again Tracy your a star. Good luck in your own hunting. Regards Lou

Nicky, I don't have any information about divorces. Did they actually marry? If you know where he went, I would check county record offices to see if they hold information about divorces. It may be that he never divorced, and the marriage was simply 'dissolved' because he didn't return. I don't really think I can help in this situation. I'm more suited to pre-1901 mysteries. Sorry. Perhaps you could ask on the Tips board and someone with better knowledge of this could help you.

HI some advice would be great my gt grandfather left my gt grandmother in 1916, and went to Farringdon he left with young girl name not known, he was then 1917/18 sentenced to 15 mths hard labour for concealment of a baby's body the mother was someone he lodged with ,don't if she was the same woman he ranaway with or a different one , her name was Florence Lewis and her husband had been killed at the front. we are not sure whether Joseph was the child 's father or Mr Lewis. Joseph then left Florence we think and had another child called Patience, we dont know whether joseph married her mother or what mothers name was, he then left her and married another woman and had another daughter.!!!!!! what we would like to find out is whether he divorced granny have not found any info to support that, who was the father of the first child , the name of the mother of the second child and what happened to her and anything else we can. Joseph died in 1962 we have information about that. we need any advice on what to do now thanks Nicky Salisbury

Mary, there is this Rose in 1901.... Sarah Probert abt 1846 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Head Weobley Herefordshire Rose Probert abt 1885 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Daughter Weobley Herefordshire George Nott abt 1889 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Nephew Weobley Herefordshire and in 1891 Probert, John abt 1841 Bearwood, Herefordshire, England Head Weobley Herefordshire Probert, Sarah abt 1842 Kings Pyon, Herefordshire, England Wife Weobley Herefordshire Probert, Gertrude abt 1881 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Daughter Weobley Herefordshire Probert, Rose abt 1885 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Daughter Weobley Herefordshire Are you sure she's yours though. Do you have the marriage cert yet? There are 2 other Rose Proberts - one born c1893 and the other c1899. Either of them could be yours. The information on the IGI is definitely incorrect. Never take anything that is 'submitted' as fact. If it says 'extracted', it is more likely to be true. The Rose from the IGI is this one... William T Probert abt 1889 Preston, Herefordshire, England Son Ballingham Herefordshire Alice M Probert abt 1855 Weatley, Herefordshire, England Wife Ballingham Herefordshire >> Rose B Probert abt 1893 Preston, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ballingham Herefordshire Maud T Probert abt 1897 Ballingham, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ballingham Herefordshire William Probert abt 1851 Wellington, Herefordshire, England Grand Head Ballingham Herefordshire

Lou, there are 5 William Jones' registered in Whitchurch 1874-1878. I have discounted all those I found matching deaths for, which leaves 2. There is one death for 2 births.... Birth Jun 1875 Jones William Whitchurch S.6a 783 Birth Mar 1876 Jones William Whitchurch S.6a 803 One of them died Mar 1876, but it is impossible to tell which without the certs. I also had a look on CheshireBMD, and there is only one in Malpas and that is the 1875 one :) You could contact them to see if they will confirm the right one before you buy.

Lou, I found the boys in 1891 Jones, William abt 1876 Nomans Heath, Cheshire, England Servant Hough Hill Cheshire Jones, Thomas abt 1874 Malpas, Cheshire, England Servant Newton by Malpas Cheshire Jones, John abt 1881 No Mane(Nomans) Heath, Cheshire, England Nursling Cuddington Cheshire Thomas is with Johns daughter, Rebecca. John is with a Powell family. This is them through the censuses.... 1861 John Jones abt 1824 Hampton, Cheshire, England Head Hampton Shropshire Jane Jones abt 1826 Egerton, Cheshire, England Wife Hampton Shropshire Mary Jones abt 1851 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Rebecca Jones abt 1852 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Sarah Jones abt 1854 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Catherine Jones abt 1856 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Elizabeth Jones abt 1859 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire 1871 John Jones abt 1825 Hampton, Cheshire, England Head Hampton Cheshire Sarah Jones abt 1854 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Cheshire Catharine Jones abt 1857 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Cheshire Elizabeth Jones abt 1859 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Cheshire William Jones abt 1862 Hampton, Cheshire, England Son Hampton Cheshire John Jones abt 1865 Hampton, Cheshire, England Son Hampton Cheshire Samuel Jones abt 1868 Hampton, Cheshire, England Son Hampton Cheshire Harriett Jones abt 1870 Hampton, Cheshire, England Granddaughter Hampton Cheshire 1881 John Jones abt 1824 Malpas, Cheshire, England Head Rebecca Jones abt 1852 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter John Jones abt 1864 Malpas, Cheshire, England Son Samuel Jones abt 1868 Malpas, Cheshire, England Son Thomas Jones abt 1874 Malpas, Cheshire, England Grandson William Jones abt 1876 Malpas, Cheshire, England Grandson John Jones abt 1881 Malpas, Cheshire, England Grandson Nomansheath, Hampton & Bickley, Cheshire, England This leads me to think that all 3 boys belong to Rebecca.

Lou, are Janes father's details crossed out too? Gee, there are a LOT of daughters!

Hi Tracy, I suppose they could be, although I know William Oswald wasn't happy for his mother (Jane formerly Parr) to know he had married a women who had illigitimate children. Lou

Lou, it is possible that the children with John are illegitimate. I will have to investigate further though. Bear with me :)

Lesley, can you give me Johns details in 1871 please.

Hi Tracy, thanks for the offer. I'd appreciate some help on this. Could you help me trace my William Oswald Jones's father. William Oswald Jones b 1899 Chester Hoylake. found him on 1891 census with father William Jones RG13/3386. I've got William Snr's marriage certificate to Jane formerly Parr dated 1899, the father's details are struck out on both name and profession of father -- indicating illigitimate. I've tried census search further back 1881, but can only find a John Jones shoemaker RG11/2672 with potential daughter and 3 illigitimate sons. Could you look at the census & see if you think this is possibly the family. Do you know where I can obtain 'bastardly reports? I've heard about them but don't know where to look. Many thanks for any help you can offer me on this one. Regards Lou

Cliff... Fred Bowers abt 1856 Harscheath, Cambridgeshire, England Head Skegby Nottinghamshire Anne Bowers abt 1859 Harscheath, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Skegby Nottinghamshire Ernest Bowers abt 1881 Harscheath, Cambridgeshire, England Son Skegby Nottinghamshire Walter Bowers abt 1887 Harscheath, Cambridgeshire, England Son Skegby Nottinghamshire Robert Bowers abt 1889 Harscheath, Cambridgeshire, England Son Skegby Nottinghamshire May Bowers abt 1894 Harscheath, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Skegby Nottinghamshire Albert Bowers abt 1897 Hucknall, Nottinghamshire, England Son Skegby Nottinghamshire Ernest Bowers abt 1884 Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire Helen Bowers abt 1871 London, England Daughter Nottingham Nottinghamshire Margaret E Bowers abt 1875 Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Nottingham Nottinghamshire Mary Bowers abt 1883 Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Nottingham Nottinghamshire William Bowers abt 1843 Little Bowden, Northamptonshire, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire Wm W Bowers abt 1877 Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire Eliza J Else abt 1883 Riddings, Derbyshire, England Servant Nottingham Nottinghamshire Elizabeth Phillips abt 1874 Dudley, Staffordshire, England Servant Nottingham Nottinghamshire

Agnes, she wasn't in Wales that year... John Holcroft abt 1831 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Everton Lancashire Sarah Holcroft abt 1836 Llansaintffraid, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Everton Lancashire Eleanor Holcroft abt 1856 Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales Daughter Everton Lancashire Richard Holcroft abt 1858 Thurnham, Lancashire, England Son Everton Lancashire Mary Knowles abt 1839 Llansantffraid, Denbighshire, Wales Sister-in-law Everton Lancashire

Hello Tracy,I'm trying to find Jane Gudgin on the 1871 census.She was born 1845 ,in Weedon Northants,which is where she was in 1861.She married my ancestor John Cottingham in1861,and had his child the following year.By 1871,he was living with another woman in London,but i can't find Jane anywhere.She wasn't with her family in Weedon,although she died there in 1878.Any suggestions ? Regards Lesley.

Hi Tracy Mary Knowles b/1838 d/1918 Llansantffraid denbighshire nth Wales. missing on the 1860/1 censes had a daughter that year .always lived same area Where was she that year??parents Thomas & jane Knowles. Hope you can help! regards Agnes

Martin, I'll start with Richard cos he's easier... Marriages Dec 1896 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chisnall Richard Hackney 1b 1053 Stone Louisa Jane Hackney 1b 1053 1901 Richard Chisnall abt 1867 Holloway, London, England Head Shenfield Essex Louisa Jane Chisnall abt 1868 Stoke Newington, London, England Wife Shenfield Essex Leslie Richard Chisnall abt 1894 Shenfield, Essex, England Son Shenfield Essex Rebe Louise Chisnall abt 1899 Upper Clayton, London, England Daughter Shenfield Essex Emily Ethel Chisnall abt 1886 Warley, Essex, England Servant Shenfield Essex Marriages Dec 1898 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chisnall Emily Hackney 1b 1106 Harding Herbert John Hackney 1b 1106 Ha Harding abt 1866 Clerkenwell, London, England Head Clerkenwell London Emily Harding abt 1869 Islington, London, England Wife Clerkenwell London Ethel Harding abt 1894 Islington, London, England Daughter Clerkenwell London Both marriages were on FreeBMD.

Tracey Thank you so much, i have something to look into now as i couldn't find a thing. Michelle.

Michelle, Birth Dec 1912 Masters Marjorie E mother - Wynn Islington 1b 560 I can't find a William E in Islington. As you can appreciate, there are a LOT of Smiths in London, so I would be unable to say which of the others might be him. These are your possibles... Puttick William E - Davies - Pancras.1b 37 Birth 2 1913 Smith William E - Sell - Mile End Old Town.1c 843 Birth 2 1912 Smith William E - Welsh - Fulham.1a 600 Birth 2 1913 Smith William E A - Jackson - Poplar.1c 904 Birth 2 1913 Smith William E - Maslin - Paddington.1a 23 Birth 2 1914 Smith William E - Gunning - Woolwich.1d 2305 Birth 2 1914 Smith William E G - Joy - St Olave.1d 374 Birth 2 1914

Tracy I have another 2 mysteries. I beleive an ancester Emily Chisnall (b 1869 Islington) married a Herbert Handley (b1868 Islington). The other is her brother Richard Chisnall (b 1867 Islington) who may have married a Louisa Jane and had two children Rebecca Louise (b1899) and Leslie Richard (b1900) However, I cannot find any hard evidence of this. Would be very grateful if you can help. Many many thanks Martin

Hello Tracey I don't know if you will be able to help me, I have death certificates for the following 2 people, which were my Grandmother and Grandfather. I was wondering if you could possably help me with their births. Marjorie Eliza Masters (Marsters) b. 03/11/1913 Islington London. William Edward Smith (might have been born Puttick or Puttock rumour in the family about his mother marrying a second time and him taking on the name of his stepfather) b. 10/04/1913 Islington, London. This is all the information i have on these two, not many relatives alive to ask now. The ones that are still alive can't remember a lot. I would really appreciate any help i can get on these two, as i have three small children and cannot visit records office for at least another 4-5 years yet. Thank you Michelle.