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Hi Tracy, could you have a peek on the 1841 for a Jobling family, Joseph Jobling 30 Elizabeth 34 Amelia 8 Elizabeth 5 should be around the Surrey area, just wanted to know if there were any more children, Many thanks for your time and trouble. Love Belle.

Hi Tracey RALSTON births West Derby 1912 - 1920 mothers name BURNS. Thanks Colette

Kaz, I haven't forgotten about you. I just can't find him yet :(

Carolyn, I'm struggling. He might be amongst those who have been missed off 1861. There's a big chunk of London missing.

Sorry Belle, I don't have 1841 for that area. There is someone on the boards with it though, so if you post a thread asking, someone will answer.

Colette, Birth Dec 1920 Ralston George Burns West Derby.8b 665 Birth Mar 1918 Ralston Norah T Burns West Derby.8b 558 Birth Mar 1916 Ralston Herbert Burns West Derby.8b 623 Birth Dec 1913 Ralston Margaret Burns West Derby.8b 648 Birth Mar 1912 Ralston William R Burns West Derby.8b 437

Thank you Tracey my Grandad was William Ralston, whats weird is on his marriage it has William Ralston Ralston, which i find odd, on his gravestone he has William Joseph Ralston. now even his birth reg has William R Ralston. Oh well i guess i will never get round this one, but why call someone their surname twice. Do you mind looking for.. PRATT births mother BAYLISS Warick, Cov, meriden basicaly any in Warwickshire. 1912 -1917, Also any KILVERT births mother PRATT same area 1912 - 1920 I know i am being cheeky but its a vital time frame you are offering weres there is a void.. Thanks Colette

Colette, I have an Elford Olford who I'm sure was meant to be Olford Olford lol not sure why they did it, but there you go. Birth Jun 1917 Pratt Fred Bayliss Stockport.8a 121 Birth Sep 1913 Pratt John Bayliss Stockport.8a 154 No Kilvert-Pratts.

Jackie, there's a Catherine, but no Kate. Do you want her info?

Catherine McKenny abt 1843 Ireland Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Ellen McKenny abt 1845 Ireland Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Hannah McKenny abt 1854 Liverpool Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Johanna McKenny abt 1823 Ireland Wife Liverpool Lancashire Timothy McKenny abt 1815 Ireland Head Liverpool Lancashire

Hi Tracey weird isnt it why have your surname twice it wasnt like he was the 2nd William Ralston he was about the 4th oh well haaaaa. Stockport thats Cheshire yeh ?? doubt they are mine but you never know. I only found out Grt Grandads sister Emily Pratt married a Kilvert when i recieved an old newspaprer cutting from the Kenilworth Library Warks about Grt Grt Grandads fall outta bed. Hehad a coroners inquest into his death you see. Named his daughter Mrs Emiy Kilvert at the house that night BINGO i thourght gotta her married name now. This was 1910 Grt Grt Granpops died, dont know if she had any children but she would be 40 in 1910, so maybe if she had any they were earlier. The prob is my Grt Grandad left Kenilworth and came to Liverpool abt 1896, so he left his family behind, Eldest sister Mary Elizabeth Pratt m 1901 she was in her 30's to a Tew. Jane next eldest sister died aged 33, Walter George his brother was 30odd in 1901 and still at home dont know what happened to him, then theres Emily who married a Kilvert, then Edward Joseph who married an Ellen Bayliss he was a reg serj major and killed in 1917 WW1. I am hoping there may have been descendants of Grt Grandads siblings outhere, so i am trying anything. I was told Grt Grandad Arthur Henry Pratt had 4 children by my Grandad his son he infact had 7 that i know of. Arthur Edwin 1905, Edith & Albert twins 1907 death 1907, Emily 1912, Ethel 1914 death 1916, Walter (grandad)1916 and Stanley ? maybe 1918. Could you do me another look up from 1912 -1920 PRATT mother THOMPSON i doubt there will be anymore if there were they would have been between 1907 -1911 so no mums maiden name then, so i may never know. Thanks Tracey Colette

Thanks for not forgetting me Tracy henry is proving a real pain in the**** In fact I can't find his father either in 71 census where did they go? Cheers Kaz

Hi Tracy, I'd love it if you could shed any light on these. Bertha Melinda Parr my g grandmother b 1854/58 . I can find her on 1881 (tho mistranscribed as Martha) with her parents Robert and Martha and daughter Laura Pauline (who was illegitimate and refused ever to talk about her early life to her sisters ,who she brought up after their mother died)) in Weston, Somerset On my grandmother's birth certificate Oct 1885 she is shown as Bertha Perry formerly Price. Husband William Perry. In 1891 she is in Bristol with her 3 other daughters Lillian, Beatrice and Ivy. She died in 1892. I can't find any record of her birth or Laura's, nor a marriage, and have no idea where Price came from. Thanks so much for your offer of help. Regards Nicky

Thanks for that advice Tracy. Love Belle.

Colette, the last one showing up in West Derby was Stanley, Dec 1917. Whoever told you about the 4 kids might not have included those who died. I would think that if Emily did have kids, they would have been in the 20 yrs before 1910. Have you got her in 1901?

Diane, William is with son Thomas in Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan. The others are in West Ham Pannell, Betsy abt 1838 Leamington, Warwickshire, England Head West Ham Essex Pannell, Wm abt 1859 Canning Town, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Pannell, Fredk abt 1865 I of Dogs, Middlesex, England Son West Ham Essex Pannell, Albert abt 1872 Canning Town, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Pannell, Emily abt 1874 Canning Town, Essex, England Daughter West Ham Essex

Nicola, in 1871, she is down as Bertha M Price. Still no clue as to why yet. I'll keep searching.

Thanks Tracey yes i have Emily in 1901 single and working as a housemaid in Castle Green Kenilworth aged 30, this is why i was made up i found her married name Kilvert. Where the family were living in 1900 i have a page from a directory and there was an Alan Kilvert with same address Clifton Cottage so maybe he was renting one of the rooms in cottage, and this is how they met he was from Worcestershire and i believe had come to Kenilworth to stay with an uncle who lived in same road. full name Samuel Alan Kilvert, no marriage on Free BMD but will check again as its been a while since i looked. Talk about being a detective can you check for marriages ??? i mean cross referencing surnames. I would love to think that at least one of Grt Grandads siblings had children especialy Edward Joseph Pratt & Ellen Bayliss as he was killed in WW1 they married in 1904 you see. I keep looking on the genes names but never a match. According to the local newspaper in Kenilworth when Edward Joseph's death was reported they said he was a fine specimen of manhood and stood 6ft 2, isnt that lovely, carnt find him in 1901 i recon hes away with the royal warwickshire reg somewhere. Thanks for Stanley god love him he ended up with a nagging wife and moved to Gosport, another thing thats interesting is Stanleys son had spondelitus (disease of spine) my Grandad Walter his brother had a son who also had this and my 3 x Grt Grandads death cert in 1855 says death disease of spine, hes the father of Edwin who fell outta bed and died due to the bang on his head. Doesnt it all tie together. Sorry to go on and on haaaaaaaaaa. Anyway if you need help in Liverpool let me know. Colette

Nicola, I just found this... Births Mar 1874 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Price Laura Paulina Bedminster 5c 706

Colette, Marriage Jun 1906 Kilvert Samuel Allan Pratt Emily Warwick 6d 1305 I also found this... she might be yours... Birth Mar 1916 Pratt Kathleen E A Baylis Foleshill 6d 1190