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Have 6 units .... so will check Sept & Dec 1840, March, June, Sept & Dec 1841 ... May help to narrow search down anyway. Elaine :-) Ellen's listed Reading and Maidstone for S 1840 Belper and G Yarmouth for D 1840 Rochdale for M 1841 Notts, Hastings, Steyning, Lambeth, Battle & *WHITECHAPEL* for J 1841 Gilford, Basford & Tunbradge for S 1841 NONE in D 1841 Having thought about it further .... I think if the only Ellen with a Father John in 1851 is the one found further back up the thread ... then I would be inclined to follow that lead. Elaine :-)))

Sorry only just saw You said the one born in St.Luke's isn't her Sorry

OK, Starting at the bottom and working up : 1861 says she was born 1841, Middlesex. FreeBMD have only TWO listings for Middlesex births, one in 1840 and the other in June 1841. Age on marriage cert ???? I will check out 18837online, (not sure how many credits I have) ... but will check 1840/41/42 .... just to see exactly how many Ellen births there are altogether for you ! Back soon ! Elaine :-)

I have just FreeBMD'd Ellen Mills born 1840-1845 London and five possibles come up, Repeat for Mddx still gives three possibles. And as we know FBMD is incomplete. If I am understanding the question correctly Tracy is wondering how to find the right Ellen without buying b.certs. for ALL of these possibles and maybe still not getting the right one? Yes, No, Maybe?

What about this one Harss Ann Liphd abt 1833 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Visitor St Luke Old Street Middlesex Albert Mills abt 1846 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Ellen Mills abt 1816 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Wife St Luke Old Street Middlesex Ellen Mills abt 1844 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Daughter St Luke Old Street Middlesex George Mills abt 1849 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Henry Mills abt 1840 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex John Mills abt 1816 Hailsworth, Suffolk, England Head St Luke Old Street Middlesex John Mills abt 1838 City St Botolph Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Thomas Mills abt 1848 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Waller Mills abt 1850 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex It says birth 1844 All the other's have different father;s names this is the only one I can find with John

Susan, her first child was born in Sheffield, not London. She didn't move up there until she was getting married (as far as I know).

lol thanks Elaine. You know something? I can find other people lost rellies, but I can never find my own. Maybe someone else can :) I should add, the one born in St Lukes isn't her.

SMILE Tracy :-))))) I'll go and have a snoop round for you chuck ! Although, I hasten to add, that if YOU can't find her then no one can ... Elaine :-)))

Her birth cert will give mums maiden name, and addy where she was born, you can then trace the marriage of mum and dad.

Whose children? If you mean Joseph and Ellens, I have them all. I need to find Ellen. I don't know who her mother is, or when her parents married.

Ellen Mills was born c1842 in London, Middlesex (according to all the censuses from 1861). She married Joseph Hobson in 1860, in Sheffield. Her father on the cert was John Mills, Labourer. Any ideas how I can track her down, without spending a fortune on certs?