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Maureen, there was these... Death Mar 1917 Fowler Ellen 60 Tewkesbury.6a 733 Death Mar 1920 Fowler Ellen J 67 Kensington.1a 179 Marriage Jun 1909 Fowler Douglas Alexander Watford.3a 1430 Marriage Dec 1903 Fowler Douglas Alexander Epsom.2a 22a

Jane, what was Elizas maiden name?

Hi Tracy Could you possibley look and see if you could find a death for an Ellen Fowler b about 1855, she is alive in 1901, living eithr in Hertfordshire or London believe it might have been early 1920's when she died but could have been before, not sure how simple it is to check all dates from 1901 to 1920's if too difficult I understand but if just a question of typing in a name I would be grateful. Also could you check a marriage of an Douglas Alexander Fowler either in Watford or London from about 1907 onwards have already sent for one marriage certificate that is wrong. Need to know who he married. Many thanks Maureen

Jane, what's their surname? Nevermind.... Eliza Foreman abt 1873 Rye, Sussex, England Wife Gravesend Kent Harry Foreman abt 1893 Gravesend, Kent, England Son Gravesend Kent Henr Foreman abt 1865 Gravesend, Kent, England Head Gravesend Kent Maud Foreman abt 1892 Gravesend, Kent, England Daughter Gravesend Kent Richard Foreman abt 1900 Gravesend, Kent, England Son Gravesend Kent

Hi Tracy Thanks for the offer my problem is this, 1901 census Henry 36 and Eliza 28 Foreman living 57 Pelham Rd Gravesend Kent with thier children. But cannot find them 0n 1891 their first child maud born 1891 10 May 1891 Rye Kent. Hope you can help. Jane.

Maureen, I can't find them in 1861 either. I hate London lol I'm thinking that John and Cornelius are the same person. It might be that he and Mary lived together before getting married. I did find a few ''possible'' births for the early children under Butler.

Tracy, Thank you so much for the info, yes I think it is them too and wow some of my family had a servant (first time its happened). Best Wishes Kaz

Hello Tracy I have a mystery I would love some help with. My grgr aunt Mary Butler married Cornelius Saward in 1873 at St James the Great Bethnal Green and they were spinster and batchelor. On 1881 census they have children ranging from 1 to 20, on 1871 census the older of these children are listed with parents John and Mary Saward. I can't find them on 1861 at all and I can't find births for any of the older children on FreeBMD. Mary Butler was born in Clerkenwell in 1842 and Cornelius was age 10 on 1851 census I haven't found his birth yet. My question is did the older children belong to someone else and get adopted by Cornelius and Mary or did Mary and Cornelius live in sin for 13 years? I hope you can point me in the right direction thankyou Maureen

thank you for finding them in 1891 karen

many thanks tracy i will have a look karen

Karen, 1881 is free to search at familysearch.org 1891 Brock, Benjamin abt 1823 Shon Upon Hay Town, Oxfordshire, England Head Lambeth London Brock, Emma abt 1831 Stockwell, London, England Wife Lambeth London Brock, Robert abt 1872 Brixton, London, England Son Lambeth London

Helen, there are all these ''possibles'' View Record George E Bennet abt 1827 City Aldgate Lodger Stepney Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1829 Parish N K, Middlesex, England Head Matching Essex View Record George Bennett abt 1830 Edmonton, Middlesex, England Head West Ham Essex View Record George Bennett abt 1830 Isleworth, Middlesex, England Head Isleworth Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1827 Nottinghamshire, England Head Islington Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1827 Poplar Lodger Poplar Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1827 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Head Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1831 N Head Spitalfields Christchurch Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1828 Marsfield, Sussex, England Head St George Hanover Square Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1829 Thelantham, Suffolk, England Head St George Hanover Square Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1831 Kent, England Head St Luke Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1829 Norfolk, England Nephew St Pancras Middlesex View Record George Bennett abt 1829 Mile End, Middlesex, England Head Lambeth St Mary Surrey View Record George Bennett abt 1830 Devonshire St Hipne Grones, Middlesex, England Head Southwark St George the Martyr Surrey View Record George J Bennett abt 1831 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Head St Pancras Middlesex Do you know anything else about him? It's possible he's not on Ancestry. I know there's a big chunk missing. He might be on it. I can't see Sarah/Frances either.

hi tracy, i have another lookup plz. could you find a robert frederick brock born dec 1871 in lambeth plz, in the 1881 - 91 cencus plz would like to know who else is in the household many thanks karen

Helen, Maria J Gunnell abt 1801 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Wife Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex (no husband) Annie E Beckett abt 1853 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England (Grand)Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Maria Dawson abt 1845 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Boarder Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Here's William Willm Gunnell abt 1800 Shoreditch, London, England Visitor Bristol St George Gloucestershire With a Dyson family.

Kevin, I can't do Scotland. Sorry.

Kaz, 1861 Joseph Hadley abt 1833 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Mary Hadley abt 1836 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire George Hadley abt 1856 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Louisa Hadley abt 1861 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Ellen Clarke abt 1848 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Servant Birmingham Warwickshire I think this is them, but I can't see them in 1871.

Thank you Tracy I think one of them was mine. Karen

Hi Tracy, A mystery I would lie to solve. I can't locate James Gerrard & Elspeth/ Elspet/ Elsie in the 1871 census. They were married on the 24 Feb 1871 in Dalrymple,Ayr,Scotland. James born 1843+/-2, Brechin Scotland. Parents are Thomas Gerrard & Mary Lawrence both decd by 1871. Elspeth born 1849 Oyne, Aberdeen, Scotland. Parents are Thomas Knowles & Mary Reid both decd by 1871. May be you can come up with something. Thanks. Regards Kevin from NZ.

Hi Tracy Thanks again for the offer! Having a bit of trouble locating this lot on the 1861 and 71. Joseph Hadley (aged 48 on 1881) Pearl button maker Wife Mary aged 46 on 1881 Children: Joseph b 1861 Augustus Frederick b 1862 (my 2x grt grandfather) Robert b 1865 Sarah 1867 Ada 1870 In 1881 were living at 17 Gee Street B'ham. Hope you can help me to locate them earlier! Best Wishes Kaz

Hi Tracy, Thanks for trying to find my William Whitehead's marriage to Madelaine. I don't think the Sydney you found could be him because he always put William Thomas Whitehead , no Sydney. I think I'll have to keep on trawling 1837 online. Many thanks though Chris