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could you sent the info so i can take a look plz , my dad always told me his mother was born in swansea, regards karen

She is the only one born in Swansea. There is another born in Cardiff. Is that the one you want? Her father is William.

many thanks for looking tracey but this isnt the edith im after as her father was called william karen

Karen Harris, Richard Maslerman abt 1850 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Head St Thomas Glamorgan Harris, Mary Anna abt 1848 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Wife St Thomas Glamorgan Harris, Edith Margaret abt 1878 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter St Thomas Glamorgan Harris, Susie abt 1882 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter St Thomas Glamorgan Harris, Jeamsse(Jeanette) Maud abt 1884 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter St Thomas Glamorgan

H Tracy yes i thought of that i spent hours at the library going through the death records 1846-1853 for william grimshaw but there wasnt any in the area........ and i have found a William on the 81 census that fits, hes actuly living in the house that my grandmother was born in............another b.....puzzle to solve........... Christine

hi could you find an edith margaret harris born 1879-80 in swansea plz, father was called wiliam, would like to know who she was living with in 1891 thanks karen

They can't have different parents and be twins lol Cunliffe must have a different brother William. He must have died before the 1851 census.

Hi Tracy When i went to the register office for the birth certificate of Cunliffe, i asked the lady why it said the time of birth and why it said first born, she kindly told me that Cunliffe was the first born of twins the 2nd born was William born at 7.21 am so you can see the puzzle im left with! Why have they different parents? Christine

Christine, I'm not disputing that Cunliffe is a twin. What I am questioning, is whether he and Alice's brother William are twins.

Hi Tracy Yes there twins i have the birth certificate of Cunliffe giving the time of birth as 7am first born , with parents Alexander and Elizabeth i also have the marriage cert of Alex and Elizabeth..........think i need to put this on the tips board see if anyone can solve it. christine

Roy, 1851 Emily McPherson abt 1835 North Cray, Kent, England Servant Paddington Middlesex Servant to Charlotte Overy(?) Can't see her in '61 though.

Tracey Thanks for the new offer. Emily McPherson born Feb 1835 in North Cray. She's with her parents in 1841 aged 6 but not woth them in 1851 and can't find her in 1861. There's a marriage on FRBD in Dec 1888 for an Emily McPherson but would she have married at 53 years old and if she did she should certainly been around for the 51 census and possibly 61 as a single girl even if she was marreid twice. Regards Roy McP.

Christine, this is the family I found in 1851... Mathew Grimshaw abt 1818 Grest Harwood, Lancashire, England Head Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Charlotte Grimshaw abt 1815 Rishton, Lancashire, England Wife Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Alice Grimshaw abt 1845 Oswaldtwisle, Lancashire, England Daughter Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Mary S Grimshaw abt 1842 Rishton, Lancashire, England Daughter Oswaldtwistle Lancashire William Grimshaw abt 1847 Oswaldtwisle, Lancashire, England Son Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Joseph Grimshaw abt 1850 Oswaldtwisle, Lancashire, England Son Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Cunliffe in 1851 Thomas(Alexander) Grimshaw abt 1815 Great Harwood, Lancashire, England Head Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Elizabeth Grimshaw abt 1815 Bolton by Bowland, Yorkshire, England Wife Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Cumliff Grimshaw abt 1847 Oswalde, Lancashire, England Son Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Are you sure they're twins??

Tracy thank you so much, there the right ones .........but i think i need an expert on this as on the 51 census the mother is Elizabeth and William is the twin brother of Cunliffe but hes not on the 61 census with them, hes living with his Father Alexander..........need a stiff drink to sort this out! Thanks Christine

Christine, how about these? Alice Grimshaw abt 1844 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Daughter Blackburn Lancashire Charlotte Grimshaw abt 1813 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Head Blackburn Lancashire Daniel Grimshaw abt 1851 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Joseph Grimshaw abt 1849 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Margaret Grimshaw abt 1841 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Daughter Blackburn Lancashire William Grimshaw abt 1846 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire

Frances, I may as well give you them all cos Slater is always with them lol 1861 Francis Staples abt 1817 Ayston, Rutland, England Head Tixover Rutland Mary Staples abt 1821 Storeton, Lincolnshire, England Wife Tixover Rutland Alfred Staples abt 1854 Tixover, Rutland, England Son Tixover Rutland Joseph Staples abt 1855 Tixover, Rutland, England Son Tixover Rutland Slater Staples abt 1821 Ayston, Rutland, England Brother Tixover Rutland 1871 Francis Staples abt 1815 Ayston, Rutland, England Head Tixover Rutland Mary J Staples abt 1819 Stunton Wywell, Leicestershire, England Wife Tixover Rutland Joseph Staples abt 1855 Tixover, Rutland, England Son Tixover Rutland Slater Staples abt 1819 Ayston, Rutland, England Brother Tixover Rutland Anne M Phillips abt 1865 Welton, Northamptonshire, England Visitor Tixover Rutland 1891 Staples, Mary abt 1818 Stonton Wyville, Leicestershire, England Head Tixover Rutland Staples, Slater abt 1821 Aston, Rutland, England Brother Tixover Rutland Staples, Harriet E abt 1881 Tixover, Rutland, England Granddaughter Tixover Rutland

Sorry Tracy.not woke up yet!!!!!!! they were born Rishton/ Oswaldtwistle Lancashire Thanks Christine

Christine, where were they born??

Hi Tracy Thanks very much for the information. I'm wondering if Ann could have been her second name. Im sorry to trouble you a second time but I must have missed your reply. Sorry again. Lindsey

Lindsay, I'm sure I looked for this last week with no success. The only one I can see that comes remotely close is this one on FreeBMD... Marriages Dec 1871 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bouskell John Mansfield 7b 168 HARRISON Hannah Mansfield 7b 168 Jones Mary Mansfield 7b 168 Revill Samuel Mansfield 7b 168