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Sue Firstly do you have her in the 1901 census with her husband as this should tell us where she was born. How do you know she was born Peckham/Camberwell? What were the details on the marriage cert for both parties please. What did it state her fathers job was on cert or was he deceased? Need to know this so I can ensure I'm on the right track. Zoe

am looking for the wherabouts of Isabella/Isobella Dodds in Durham in 1901 census. she was born c1861 and I have her on the 1871. 1881 and 1891 census, on the 1891 census her and her 2 children ( Joseph and Elizabeth) are with Isabellas parents ( Bartholomew and Elizabeth Dodds) and 4 of bartholomews children,, I have located 2 other siblings of Isabellas that married and living elsewhere by the time of the 1901 census but I cannot find Isabella anywhere so I am unsure if Isabella is still alive in 1901. Can you help?!! Thanks, Nic x

Denise Have you got the 1841 census details? ~ I don't have access to them at moment this may help. You may find his parents on this. Now are you also wanting Henry in following censuses or are you saying you want to go back further? Where have you looked for William? I presume you have these from the IGI Henry's siblings THOMAS TAYLOR Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 02 AUG 1818 Christening: 04 OCT 1818 Wigan, Lancashire, England Death: 25 AUG 1821 Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM TAYLOR Mother: REBECCA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then you have Henrys details ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MARTHA TAYLOR Male (Wonder why a Martha is down as male?!?) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 13 SEP 1822 Christening: 01 JAN 1823 Wigan, Lancashire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM TAYLOR Mother: REBECCA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then they had another son called thomas now in 1841 he should be just 15/16 maybe still with parents! THOMAS TAYLOR Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 13 MAR 1825 Christening: 31 JUL 1825 Wigan, Lancashire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM TAYLOR Mother: REBECCA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Could this be a possiblity for Rebecca's birth? REBECCA LAWSON Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 26 APR 1793 Christening: 05 MAY 1793 Wigan, Lancashire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: EDWARD LAWSON Mother: REBECCA KAYE Get back to me and will do all I can to help Zoe

Caroline There are no censuses available after 1901 yet ~ you need to trawl through the GRO records to find more info out ~long task hope you find what you are looking for! Zoe

Neil Have looked and looked all I can suggest is going through the christian names of children at familysearch.org as they have free 1881 census there and hopefully finding one family with the right names ~ this is time consuming but when things get on your nerves drastic measures need to be taken LOL. Good luck hope you find them but the head likes to change his age that is why I said try to find the children ~ they must be badly mistranscribed somewhere. Zoe

Thanks so much. 11 Sept. 1858 at Haigh Chruch (I believe St. Davids according to the source I got the photo copy from in the 1980's) Henry Taylor 36 wid Stonemason Residence at time of Marriage; Aspull Father: William Taylor stonemason Jane Winrow 27 spinster no profession Residence at time of marriage: Haigh Father: Henry Winrow collier witnesses: Faith Winrow James Winrow. 1851 Census for Wigan- Here his first wife is still alive. Millgate: Henry Taylor Head mar 30 stonemason Wigan Margaret wife mar 31 Westhoughton William son u 3 Wigan John son u 1 Wigan William Lawson Uncle u 64 watchman Leigh. I did go to the IGI and found a William Taylor Married to Rebecca Lawson in 1813 at St Peter, Bolton Le Moors, Lanc. but I don't know how close this is to Wigan. Also a Henry Taylor born 1/09/1820 in Wigan to William Taylor and Rebecca. The name Rebecca also is carried down to a daughter by the second marriage, Margaret Rebekah. I have tracked the names of the children from both marriges from a book my aunt gave me that has recorded all of the birth dates. I can find no William Taylor in any census, nor a Rebecca (Rebekah) either. So, where do I go from here? Thanks, Denise

my great grand mother ada whitting born canning town essex/married west ham1902 to henry winter /then nothing would like any thing more after 1901 census where she appears as ada whilling /drilling a mis trans/would love to find a death /or a remarried as she disapeared after 1905 thankyou

Thanks for looking Zoe. I have trawled the death indexes between 1881 and 1891 and found no trace of a death for either Margaret CAUDLE or her youngest son. I feel it is unlikely that they went abroad as she would surely have taken both sons with her. Her sister Emma was also a widow, working as a laundress, so not much wealth there! I haven't yet applied for William Henry Snr's death certificate but hopefully that may shed some light! I suspect that either Margaret remarried, although I can find no trace of that either, or she was 'living in sin' and took her partner's name. Anyway I am grateful for your efforts on my behalf. Kind regards Evie

Hi Zoe Can I take you up on your very generous offer please my brickwall is that I can not find Thomas Stone(s) and his family on the 1881 censes, I have him on the 1871 and 1891 it is sending me mad lol below are the details I have 1871 Thomas Stones 42 coal dealer born Notts Mary Stones 38 wife Notts William 18 son Notts John 14 son Staffs Thomas 12 son Staffs Clara daughter 3 Staffs Sarah A daughter 1 Staffs living at 12 paged road Burton Extra Burton on Trent Staffs 1891 Thomas Stone 64 coal dealer Notts Mary A Stone 59 wife Notts Sarah A 21 daughter Burton on trent Alf 15 son Burton on trent Clara Ingers 23 boarder (daughter) Burton on trent Mathew Ingers 22 boarder Notts WM Ingers 2 boarder Notts living at 10 Pollock street St Marys Nottingham again thank you for offer and good luck Regards Neil

Lynne No problem didn't have to think too hard so that's good anytime you need help just ask! Zoe

Thanks Zoe ..you have solved a mysterie my grandmother always thought her grandparents left Northants by 1881 you have them back from Berkshire in 1891 ....cheers

Jane No problem my pleasure Zoe

Evie Is this them in 1881 Head is a paper Hanger(Caudle) Margaret E. Caudle abt 1851 Peckham, Surrey, England Wife 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, England Walter H. Caudle abt 1855 Peckham, Surrey, England Head 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, England Walter H. Caudle abt 1879 Dulwich, Surrey, England Son 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, England William A. Caudle abt 1880 Dulwich, Surrey, England Son 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, living in same house Emma Laker abt 1837 Bermondsey Head 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, England George H. Laker abt 1866 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, England John Laker abt 1871 Dulwich, Surrey, England Son 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, England Thomas W. Laker abt 1864 Peckham, Surrey, England Son 13 Nutfield Rd, Camberwell, London, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well that one is a real strange one can't find any of them! Only one of their son with Emma Laker in 1891 and 1901. Can't find any deaths do you think they may have moved abroad ~ have you thought of asking for a passenger record lookup? Do you have Walter Snr death cert? Zoe

George These are the people you are talking about aren't they? 1871 Elizabeth Palmer abt 1846 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife Dudley Worcestershire Henry Palmer abt 1870 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Dudley Worcestershire Louisa Palmer abt 1866 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley Worcestershire William Palmer abt 1843 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Dudley Worcestershire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1881 Head is a Tailor Elizabeth Palmer abt 1846 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife 17 Spring Gardens, Dudley, Worcestershire, England Henry Palmer abt 1871 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son 17 Spring Gardens, Dudley, Worcestershire, England Lavinia Palmer abt 1873 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter 17 Spring Gardens, Dudley, Worcestershire, England Louis Palmer abt 1880 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son 17 Spring Gardens, Dudley, Worcestershire, England Thomas Palmer abt 1875 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son 17 Spring Gardens, Dudley, Worcestershire, England William Palmer abt 1843 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head 17 Spring Gardens, Dudley, Worcestershire, England William Palmer abt 1877 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son 17 Spring Gardens, Dudley, Worcestershire, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1891 Head is a Tailor Abraham Palmer abt 1886 Birmingham Son Aston Warwickshire Edith Palmer abt 1881 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Eliz Palmer abt 1847 Burton, ?, England Wife Aston Warwickshire Frederick Palmer abt 1889 Birmingham Son Aston Warwickshire Hannah Palmer abt 1884 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Lavinia Palmer abt 1873 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire Thomas Palmer abt 1875 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Aston Warwickshire William Palmer abt 1843 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Aston Warwickshire William Palmer abt 1877 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Aston Warwickshire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1901 Now this is interesting as Louie Saunders is down as Widow and the head of household daughter! And Elizabeth is still married Caroline Brooks abt 1881 Birmingham Visitor Birmingham Warwickshire Arthur Lowe abt 1878 Birmingham Boarder Birmingham Warwickshire Sarah A Lowe abt 1880 Birmingham Boarder Birmingham Warwickshire Edith Palmer abt 1882 Dudley Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Fredrich Palmer abt 1889 Birmingham Son Birmingham Warwickshire Hannah Palmer abt 1884 Dudley Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Palmer abt 1856 Burton-Upon-Trent Head Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Rice abt 1841 Birmingham Visitor Birmingham Warwickshire Louie Saunders abt 1866 Dudley Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Q1 When did E1 die? A1: This can be found out by purchasing the birth cert of the last child Frederick then you would know if it was a different mother to the other children! Q2 When did E2 marry William? A2:Buying the birth certs to narrow it down(to time when mother's changed for marriage possibilities) will help and then you would know her maiden name. Q3 What was E2's married name? A3:?? Q4 What was E2's maiden name? A4:See A2 Q5 When did E2 become a Widow? A5:Looks like she is still married in 1901 did find a death I think in 1905/6 for a William Palmer born 1845 that might be his death! Zoe

Cherylann Best to have census details and try and figure out around what time marriage took place and where based on children if any, do you have any census details if so please post, have I helped you with these people before they seem known to me? Zoe

Hi Zoe, in reply to your message. the father name is blank on both birth certs. The mystery deepens! Liz

Hi Zoe Am stuck on the following: Margaret Emily RUSSELL born 1849 in Peckham, Camberwell Surrey married Walter Henry CAUDLE in 1877 in Camberwell. They had 2 sons: Walter Henry Caudle born 1879 in Dulwich, Camberwell and William Alfred CAUDLE born 1880 also in Dulwich. The father Walter Henry died in 1881 but I can find no trace of either Margaret or the younger son William after the 1881 census when she and her 2 sons were living with her sister Emma LAKER. In 1891 the elder son Walter is still living with his aunt but there is no sign of Margaret or her younger son! I would be very grateful if you could shed any light on this! Many thanks Regards Evie

Hi Zoe Thanks for your help. I think I got so caught up in trying to find out where Thomas was born in Wales & thinking that none of them came from Sedgley, I forgot Mary always says place of birth Sedgley, Have possible record of birth will send for it to confirm mother maiden name. It really helps when someone has a fresh pair of eyes on a subject. Thankyou.

Hi Zoe Couldn't find it in 1905/06.Suppose it will have to stay a mystery. Hopefully when1911 census comes out i will be able to get some info of that, eg where Arthur was born and when. Thanks for your time and help. Julie

No Zoe I didn't with birth cert saying mother Alice Jane Amy White formally Hindle I presumed they married before Amy was born. I will check 1905/06 and let you know. Julie