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Warren Looking at her first marriage her name was Salmon(don't know if she was married before this one) Name: James Thomas Titchiner Year of Registration: 1854 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Whitechapel County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 615 Esther Henrietta Salmon on same page I did find this though Name: Esther Henriette Stchiner Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Lambeth County: Greater London, London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 640 There is a William Hanley on same page ( I know the spellings are off but you can always put a fathers name as checking point most ancestors could not read or write so if written doen wrong they would not know)THERE ISN'T ANYONE NAMED STCHINER IN THE CENSUSES AND THIS ONE IS THE ONLY ONE ON BMD'S Presume this is them in 1871 Alice M Hawley abt 1866 Liverpool St G E, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London Arthur W Hawley abt 1863 Liverpool St G E, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Esther H Hawley abt 1837 Waterloo, London, England Wife Bethnal Green London Esther H Hawley abt 1862 Liverpool St G E, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London Florence C Hawley abt 1868 Bn Green, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London Frederick C Hawley abt 1869 Bn Green, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Leah L Hawley abt 1865 Liverpool St G E, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London William Hawley abt 1838 Birmingham Head Bethnal Green London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1881 Arthur Hawley abt 1863 Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England Son 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Ester H. Hawley abt 1837 Mile End, Middlesex, England Wife 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Florence Hawley abt 1867 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Herbert Hawley abt 1874 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Son 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Leah Hawley abt 1864 Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England Daughter 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Willm. Hawley abt 1838 Birmingham Head 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England As I said nearest I can find is the above marriage. Zoe

Thanks for trying Zoe. Rachel

Christine Where were they born? Zoe

Warren Do you have them in any censuses? Sometimes it helps me find marriages etc. Zoe

could you check caroline stubbs 1888-1899 and vernon williams 1887 thank very much christine

William HAWLEY b BIrmingham 1839 married? Esther Henrietta Titchiner (spelling) widow of James Thomas Titchiner - he died 1858. William and Esthers first child born 1861 res Liverpool Buildings St Botolph East LOndon. I have searched and search for their marriage ie William /Esther but cant find it. Can you help pse brenda

Anne What were his and his fathers occupations?

Rachel Have looked and no joy SORRY

Hi I was hoping you could help me solve this mystery I have found my Great grandfather Francis Goodwin on the 1881 census aged 23, 1891 census aged 33 and on the 1901 census called frank aged 43. all stating he born in Leicestershire I found his marriage certificate to Lois in March 1879 aged 20. From this I worked out he was born during the last few weeks of March 1859. His father is also listed as Francis. This is where the mystery sets in. I have completely searched the BMD registers to find nothing. I have searched the 61 and 71 census but there is noone listed as father and son together with the same name born in Leicestershire around the time.He seems to have appeared from 1879 where was he before then !!!! Where else can I look. Please help Anne

Zoe, Any luck with my elusive George Alfred Owen? Rachel

Cherry Good bit of detective work there, your getting more like me LOL Glad you sorted it you know how census details are not always correct..Good am glad you figured it.. Zo xxx

Hi Zoe, I was just going to delete my thread as I think I've worked out the answer but then thought it might help other newbies like me to think of various permutations! My William Briggs wasn't born in St Chartford, Bedfordshire in 1826 According to the 1861 Census he was born in ST CHART, ASHFORD, KENT! heaven only knows how Bedfordshire came into it. He also manages to knock a few years off his age along the way. When he and Harriett were first married there was a difference of 5 years between them - in the 1871 Census 8 years - in the1881, 19 years - 1891, 10 years. Harriett dies in 1900 at the age of 66 and William dies in 1909 at the age of 90, bringing them back to their correct birth ages! Phew! Only taken me about half a day to work it out! Many thanks for reading my post. Cherry

Hi Zo, I just can't for the life of me work this one out and hope you might cast your all seeing eyes over it! This my William BRIGGS in 1881 Elizabeth Brigs abt 1865 Fishersgate, Sussex, England Daughter Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England View Record Harriet Brigs abt 1836 Fishersgate, Sussex, England Wife Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England View Record James Brigs abt 1864 Fishersgate, Sussex, England Son Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England View Record William Brigs abt 1817 Shorncliff, Kent, England Head Fishersgate 2 Laylands Rd, Southwick, Sussex, England This should be him in 1871 but he's got the wrong wife but all the right sons and daughters. (I know these were all their children from a rellies info) Elizabeth Briggs abt 1866 Southwick, Sussex, England Daughter Southwick Sussex View Record Emma Briggs abt 1868 Southwick, Sussex, England Daughter Southwick Sussex View Record George Briggs abt 1861 Brighton, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record James Briggs abt 1864 Portslade, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record Luley Briggs abt 1863 Southwick, Sussex, England Daughter Southwick Sussex View Record Margaret Briggs abt 1834 Wivelsfield, Sussex, England Wife Southwick Sussex View Record William Briggs abt 1826 St Chartford, Bedfordshire, England Head Southwick Sussex This is him on 1901 back to the right age, right wife and place of birth! William Briggs abt 1818 Chatham, Kent, England Head Portslade Sussex Harriett Briggs abt 1828 Ditchling, Sussex, England Wife Portslade Sussex View Record James Briggs abt 1863 Portslade, Sussex, England Son Portslade Sussex . Shall I assume that William and Harriet went on a world cruise leaving the kids with rellies or shall I keep looking for them under mistranscribed names? As an example here's my Grandad, James Arthur Briggs transcribed as Buggs on the 1891 with his Mum called Mary instead of Annie! George W Buggs abt 1885 Southwick, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record James A Buggs abt 1887 Southwick, Sussex, England Son Southwick Sussex View Record Mary A Buggs abt 1862 Lancing, Sussex, England Wife Southwick Sussex View Record George Buggs abt 1861 Brighton, Sussex, England Head Southwick Sussex Whaddya 'fink. Many,many thanks. Cherry

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Susan Have you looked through marriages as sometimes people remarry and they don't want there children about(not nice) so give them up. Try looking for a marriage for her. Do you know that Les kept his birth name ~ where have you looked for his death? Zoe

Ben Ok 1851 for ref for me Ohh some Gilson/Gillson's here aswell and Sarah has 2 other Children Head and John are Labourers Lavender Coe abt 1836 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife's Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire James Darkins abt 1841 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife's Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire James Gillson abt 1850 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger Waterbeach Cambridgeshire John Gillson abt 1822 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Mary Gillson abt 1823 Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Abraham Nicholls abt 1819 Haslingfield, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1846 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Sarah Nicholls abt 1816 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1861 Head & William are Ag Labs James and George are Labourers James Darkins abt 1841 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son-in-law (must mean by law his son) Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Abraham Nicholls abt 1821 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1847 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Sarah Nicholls abt 1817 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire William Nicholls abt 1817 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Brother Waterbeach Cambridgeshire ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 ?Fin End? Head and George are Ag Labs John Gilson abt 1845 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Susan Gilson abt 1840 Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire William J Gilson abt 1868 Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1847 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Cousin Waterbeach Cambridgeshire If they are cousins that means John is Georges brother or Susan is the sister of one of his parents Source information: RG10/1578 Registration district: Chesterton Sub-registration district: Willingham ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 82 Page: 15) Household schedule number: 83 GSU Number: 829803 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 Lavender Georges Half brother Eliza Coe abt 1835 Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Wicken Cambridgeshire Elizabeth Coe abt 1866 Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Wicken Cambridgeshire Harriett Coe abt 1862 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Wicken Cambridgeshire Lavender Coe abt 1835 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Wicken Cambridgeshire Matilda Coe abt 1858 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Wicken Cambridgeshire +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Couldn't find Sarah or James Darkins her other son in 1871 On census for Abraham in 1871 doesn't say whether a Widow or not! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1901Nice big family for your George with middle names too HOW LUCKY Head is a Labourer Jabez Matthews abt 1858 Great Wilbraham, Cambridgeshire, England Boarder Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Eliza Nicholls abt 1858 Fulbourne, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Emily Kate Nicholls abt 1886 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Florence Alice Nicholls abt 1895 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire George Nicholls abt 1848 Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire, England Head Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Harold Henry Nicholls abt 1898 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Mary Ethel Nicholls abt 1890 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Matilda Sarah Nicholls abt 1893 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Richard Thos Nicholls abt 1881 W Beach Far, Cambridgeshire, England Son Waterbeach Cambridgeshire Source information: RG13/1522 Registration district: Chesterton Sub-registration district: Willingham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 83 Page: 6 Household schedule number: 40 Will leave rest to you (1881 and 1891 and BMD's) Hope this helps if you need more help just ask!! Zoe

Allan Elusive is not the word I'd use!..LOL No joy yet will keep trying Zo

Thanks for foffer to help My mystery is my grandmother Louisa Ewin b1883 in Kensington had my mother Joan 1923 and her 2 brothers Eric 1922 and Les1921 with no father on birth certificate. The children were fostered,and Louisa just seemed to disappear, we have looked in vain at deaths reigisters but cannot find one. Eric died in 1953 but cant find the death of Les. Hope you can help Sue

Hi Zoe, many thanks for your offer, I have my George Nicholls, born 1846, in Waterbeach cambs, father Abraham, Mother Sarah, all living together in Waterbeach during 1851 and 1861census, but in 1871 census, I can only find Abraham living as a boarder, the rest of the family seem to have dissappeared, George is my GG/dad, this is why I am looking for him. Hi Zoe, My goodness, many many thanks for your research into my problem, i will work on the fact that Sarah must have died between 1861 and 1871 census, again many thanks for your help.

Hi Zoe Any luck with my mystery? The Evesons are an elusive lot ;o)