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Hi Zoe, I was just going to delete my thread as I think I've worked out the answer but then thought it might help other newbies like me to think of various permutations! My William Briggs wasn't born in St Chartford, Bedfordshire in 1826 According to the 1861 Census he was born in ST CHART, ASHFORD, KENT! heaven only knows how Bedfordshire came into it. He also manages to knock a few years off his age along the way. When he and Harriett were first married there was a difference of 5 years between them - in the 1871 Census 8 years - in the1881, 19 years - 1891, 10 years. Harriett dies in 1900 at the age of 66 and William dies in 1909 at the age of 90, bringing them back to their correct birth ages! Phew! Only taken me about half a day to work it out! Many thanks for reading my post. Cherry

Cherry Good bit of detective work there, your getting more like me LOL Glad you sorted it you know how census details are not always correct..Good am glad you figured it.. Zo xxx

Zoe, Any luck with my elusive George Alfred Owen? Rachel

Hi I was hoping you could help me solve this mystery I have found my Great grandfather Francis Goodwin on the 1881 census aged 23, 1891 census aged 33 and on the 1901 census called frank aged 43. all stating he born in Leicestershire I found his marriage certificate to Lois in March 1879 aged 20. From this I worked out he was born during the last few weeks of March 1859. His father is also listed as Francis. This is where the mystery sets in. I have completely searched the BMD registers to find nothing. I have searched the 61 and 71 census but there is noone listed as father and son together with the same name born in Leicestershire around the time.He seems to have appeared from 1879 where was he before then !!!! Where else can I look. Please help Anne

Rachel Have looked and no joy SORRY

Anne What were his and his fathers occupations?

William HAWLEY b BIrmingham 1839 married? Esther Henrietta Titchiner (spelling) widow of James Thomas Titchiner - he died 1858. William and Esthers first child born 1861 res Liverpool Buildings St Botolph East LOndon. I have searched and search for their marriage ie William /Esther but cant find it. Can you help pse brenda

could you check caroline stubbs 1888-1899 and vernon williams 1887 thank very much christine

Warren Do you have them in any censuses? Sometimes it helps me find marriages etc. Zoe

Christine Where were they born? Zoe

Thanks for trying Zoe. Rachel

Warren Looking at her first marriage her name was Salmon(don't know if she was married before this one) Name: James Thomas Titchiner Year of Registration: 1854 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Whitechapel County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 615 Esther Henrietta Salmon on same page I did find this though Name: Esther Henriette Stchiner Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Lambeth County: Greater London, London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 640 There is a William Hanley on same page ( I know the spellings are off but you can always put a fathers name as checking point most ancestors could not read or write so if written doen wrong they would not know)THERE ISN'T ANYONE NAMED STCHINER IN THE CENSUSES AND THIS ONE IS THE ONLY ONE ON BMD'S Presume this is them in 1871 Alice M Hawley abt 1866 Liverpool St G E, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London Arthur W Hawley abt 1863 Liverpool St G E, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Esther H Hawley abt 1837 Waterloo, London, England Wife Bethnal Green London Esther H Hawley abt 1862 Liverpool St G E, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London Florence C Hawley abt 1868 Bn Green, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London Frederick C Hawley abt 1869 Bn Green, London, England Son Bethnal Green London Leah L Hawley abt 1865 Liverpool St G E, London, England Daughter Bethnal Green London William Hawley abt 1838 Birmingham Head Bethnal Green London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1881 Arthur Hawley abt 1863 Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England Son 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Ester H. Hawley abt 1837 Mile End, Middlesex, England Wife 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Florence Hawley abt 1867 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Herbert Hawley abt 1874 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Son 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Leah Hawley abt 1864 Bishopsgate, Middlesex, England Daughter 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England Willm. Hawley abt 1838 Birmingham Head 7 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, Essex, England As I said nearest I can find is the above marriage. Zoe

Hi Zoe Re: Francis Goodwins I got the marriage certificate from the records office by photocopying it from the church records. His fathers occupation is very difficult to make out but its something to do with shoe manufacturing. Francis junior was a groom. From the 3 censuses I already found him on Francis and his wife Lois lived at 3 different addresses. Plus theaddress on his marriage certificate was some sort of boarding house so no luck there. From what I have learned from the family, her family was against the marriage and refused to have anything to do with him. On the marriage certificate her father is listed as still living but I know he died in 1866 so was Francis(father) still alive or had he died too. Until I find out more about the Francis' I am at a brick wall Anne

Anne Have checked all Goowin's born 1858 +/- 2 born Leicestershire in the 1861 no sign of him sorry..Also tried 1871 no joy. Sorry can't be any help but I looked and looked and couldn't see him, he may not have been born in Leicestershire but I did check all Francis' no father of same name.. Zoe

Hi Zoe, could you lookup on the 1901 census a william Harris born Loughor, Glamorgan abt 1841 plz, would like to know who he is living with and if his dob is right as there is a bit of confusion over it thanks Karen

Zoe WARREN. Many thanks for that, no wonder I couldnt find them !!!brenda

Karen You cannot always accept census ages as correct sometimes they can differ widely Is this him in the 1881 census Head is a Bricklayers Foreman Adlah Harris abt 1878 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Daniel H. Harris abt 1873 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales David R. Harris abt 1863 Sketty, Glamorgan, Wales Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Dinah Harris abt 1845 Sketty, Glamorgan, Wales Wife 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Edith M. Harris abt 1880 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Ernest Q. Harris abt 1881 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Jessie Harris abt 1868 Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales John E. Harris abt 1866 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Mary S. Harris abt 1875 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales William Harris abt 1841 Loughar, Glamorgan, Wales Head 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales William S. Harris abt 1870 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Do you have him in the 1891 census as cannot seem to see them in 1891 or 1901 Zoe

Hi Zoe, yes this is him in 1881, no i havent got him in any other census regards Karen

Kate Who did she marry in 1858 and do you have her on the 1861 census as that may help as to where she says she's born! Zoe

Hi Zoe Here's hoping you can help with this I will be eternally grateful if you can. It is my Grandmother Sarah Jeffery I have very little information but here goes. I have her 2 marriage certificates the first she married William Albert Anstead in Exeter on 4th February 1911. On this she was 22 years old which makes it born c1889. Her second marriage was to my Grandfather William Charles Summerfield in East Stonehouse, Plymouth Devon on 26th December 1916. On this she was 25 years old which makes her born c 1891. I also have her death certificate which is dated 24th February 1966, age on this is 78 years wich makes her birth c 1888. By the Wedding certificates her Father's name was Thomas Jeffery and his occupation was Forman in Dockyard. I cannot find her on Birth on BMD or on any census other than possibly 1901. I cannot find her father on BMD either. Someone got me an entry on Devon 1901 census which could possibly be her family. The only thing I am not to sure about on it is that the Head is down as Thomas W. Jeffery. I have also got the same 1901 census entry from Ancestry and on there the Wifes Birthplace is different. The entries are: Thomas W Jeffery Head b c1867 Bridport Gloucestershire (Dorset) Sarah Jeffery Wife b c1867 Ilfracombe Devon [Ancestry: Exeter Devon] Alice Jeffery Dau b c1884 Exeter Devon Mary Jeffery Dau b c1900 Stonehouse Devon Nellie Jeffery Dau b c1890 Exeter Devon Sarah Jeffery Dau b c1887 Ilfracombe Devon Susan Jeffery Dau b c1893 Bristol Somerset Thomas Jeffery Son b c1896 Plymouth Devon William Jeffery Son b c1886 Tavistock Devon William Jeffery Father b c1822 Bridport The only thing I know for definate is that she had a brother named Tom. I am hope you can help as it has got to be a very thick brick wall. Regards Christine