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hiya tracey, you are very welcome, I have always found the peeps on here, to be most helpful, as long as you remember to be polite and as precise as you can be when asking for a request/lookup, Several heads are always better than you sitting there tearing you hair out LOL, (share the misery) :)) regards Julie

Hi Julie, thanks for that I shall keep it in mind, perhaps Charles was away working or just visiting someone, it does happen, as she had not put widow down good chance that is the case. When Pheobe's birth certificate comes, I can then confirm who her parents are and go from there fopefully, certificates are taking so long at the moment. Once again thanks for all the help from everyone, I have never used this part of genes before and did not realise I would get so many people trying to help. Tracy

hiya, I found this, but no father living at house, mother is still listed as married though, a possiblility???????? 1861 census Pheobe Brown abt 1854 Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter St Mary Nottinghamshire Sarah Ann Brown abt 1833 Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Head St Mary Nottinghamshire regards Julie

I am as sure as I can be that this is the right one on the 1891 Census, I know that Frederick has put Henry Taylor down as his father when he married and Henry's occupation was an Iron Moulder, on the 91 census Henry's occupation is an Iron Moulder, he is the only one born the right time and in Nottingham. It all matches with what I know. I have had people on my tree that I cannot find on 1 maybe 2 census but not to find Phoebe on all 3 I have never had. Very Frustrating.

These lot a driving me mad!!! To take it from the beginning how do you know that your Frederick Taylor is the one in 1891 in Gainsborough and that Phoebe is his mother? I am just trying to see if there is another way to find these people. Were there any interesting witnesses on the marriage cert that might be family members? Was hoping for a brother or sister!

Hmmm... three letters? Would it be 'FWK'? Framework knitter? In which case it is the wrong Charles. Kate.

I did find a Charles Brown with wife Sarah on the 61 and 71 census but there is no Phoebe with them, cant find them in 81. Not sure what occupation this Charles I found was it was 3 letters which were not very clear, not sure what it meant. It did not say Mechanic. I have applied for a birth Certificate for Phoebe Brown hopefully the father is Charles and if this birth and baptism that was found the mother hopefully is Sarah.

But annoyingly enough I can't find that Charles on the earlier censuses to see if he has a different wife. Kate.

Unfortunately the 1881 census search on ancestry is still haywire, so it's too difficult to search for Fred(erick)s in Nottingham! Phoebes are just about possible but there are too many Freds if it is not going to let us search on birthplace and birth year. Perhaps we should have another try when they've fixed it. I have been having a look at the 1881 census on FamilySearch but the trouble is you can't search on first name only which is what I was trying to do in case they were using a different surname from Brown for some reason. But I think you said Charles was a mechanic? (If not I will be deleting this next bit in a minute!): Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Charles BROWN Head M Male 50 Sneinton, Nottingham, England Mechanic Mary A. BROWN Wife M Female 56 Birmingham John STEVENSON Lodger W Male 71 Ruddington, Nottingham, England Commission Agent Henry STEVENSON Lodger U Male 30 Nottingham, England Lace Dresser -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 31 Longledge Lane Census Place Nottingham St Mary, Nottingham, England Family History Library Film 1341802 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3358 / 126 Page Number 94 Wife's name isn't Sarah, though. Kate.

Phoebe was 35 when she married Henry Taylor, they married July 27th 1889. I have given up trying to find her on the 61 71 & 81 census, I have tried everything but nothing.

No probs just checking. What age did they marriage cert give for Phoebe? Any middle names? I am finding it really hard to find anything!

Yes I presumed that is what the RC stood for.

His baptism might be easy or difficult to find depending on your point of view as I am not sure if you picked up on it but St Barnabus is a Roman Catholic Cathedral in Nottingham - I didn't know if you knew this.

1880 matches with age he gives on his marriage in 1909.

It could be that his birthdate on the navy records is wrong. I'll have a look later and see if I can find anything... if the 1881 is working now! Kate.

hiya I know this probably isnt going to help you but it is possible that, frederick had taylor as a middle name, as this could've been his fathers name, ie frederick Taylor brown, the taylor bit being, his mothers way of including the father even if they werent married, later when they did marry, all he did was 'drop' the brown, or he could've been a brown-taylor, My grandmother was the same, her middle name was Shelton, and surname of Brown, when her mother married the shelton, she dropped the brown, just thought it may/may not help as to why you cant find him. regards julie

Thank you very much for finding that I will now have another go at seeeing if I can find them on the Census, no luck so far. Tracy

Hi Notts FHS Christenings Pheobe Brown born 21.1.1853 Christened 8.8.1859 at St Barnabus RC Nottm. Father Charles, Mother Sarah Richardson

Hi Notts FHS Christenings Pheobe Brown born 21.1.1853 Christened 8.8.1859 at St Barnabus RC Nottm. Father Charles, Mother Sarah Richardson

Reg, Yes I had the Marriage Certificate of Phoebe and Henry arrive today, I was hoping as Phoebe was abt 26 when she had Frederick she may have married before but she was a spinster, her father was Charles Browne and they married July 27th 1889 in the Parish of St Saviours, Nottingham.